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UglyCasanova wrote:

aens_wife wrote:For those of you defending rapists/etc, die in a fucking fire.

Pretty sure no one did this.

Someone was percieved to be exhibiting symptoms typical of that discourse.

Am I the only one who is completely confused and shocked that SNL decided to go all in on the sexual assault """"""humor"""""" last week?

UglyCasanova wrote:

aens_wife wrote:For those of you defending rapists/etc, die in a fucking fire.

Pretty sure no one did this.

To be fair, I didn't read the whole dumb ass argument. I read bits and pieces and quotes, so maybe I misinterpreted the comments and I AM NOT going to wade back in there to find them.

But, if there was anyone equivocating at all about sexual harassment/assault/etc, you can die in a fire too

****edited to add***** YES, there was a post where someone defended some pretty dire shit. I stand by my original comment. But this community did a pretty darn great job of telling him he was a cunt, which I appreciate.

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Ugly Nora wrote:So how many of you outraged folks are still perpetuating the problem by consuming media created in Hollywood? This is a pervasive issue in Hollywood, it always has been, and by you purchasing their products you are basically empowering the offenders to continue to act this way. I have a feeling you might boycott a clothing company if they were known to use child labor or sweat shops. You might boycott diamond rings because it funded some war. Why not boycott Hollywood? Or would that be too inconvenient for you?

What exactly is the point of this comment?

Yes I am pissed off. But my anger certainly doesn't end at the media or whatever.

What is your solution, if not a public discussion where women get to be really angry?

Are you all children? Do you not know how many are hurt by all this and that perhaps even some of the members here may be affected in some way?

If this is how you handle arguments and discussions in real life then I pity those around you.

This whole thread is as bad as a news article comments section and for the most part, you're just as bad as each other, scoring points on others pain and shouting down each other.

I will give this thread one more chance to have some decency.

-The Velvet Hammer

Ugly Nora wrote:So how many of you outraged folks are still perpetuating the problem by consuming media created in Hollywood? This is a pervasive issue in Hollywood, it always has been, and by you purchasing their products you are basically empowering the offenders to continue to act this way. I have a feeling you might boycott a clothing company if they were known to use child labor or sweat shops. You might boycott diamond rings because it funded some war. Why not boycott Hollywood? Or would that be too inconvenient for you?

Dude. Come on. This literally makes no sense. First of all, in order to have been supporting the actors that have done these atrocious things, we would have had to know about them. Does that mean we ought to all go out and burn all the movies we have made by Weinstein??? No. That won't do anything for anyone and it's a knee jerk reaction. What can happen however is bringing more awareness to people by having a civil discussing, which apparently is pretty hard for ILF as a whole.

There is not real answer here. Human beings are fucked up beyond repair. We can only do so much. We have to try though, otherwise we are monsters as well for not caring.

I for one will never and I mean never watch another Kevin Spacey movie unless it's Seven because his fucking ass get's killed.




Velvet, I don't mind this thread being destroyed. I started it with a sense of shock and wanted to get others feelings about it which I assumed were all the same.


I want to point out though that I don't believe anyone was advocating rape. I think some comments have been warped and taken out of context.

The Velvet Hammer wrote:Are you all children? Do you not know how many are hurt by all this and that perhaps even some of the members here may be affected in some way?

If this is how you handle arguments and discussions in real life then I pity those around you.

This whole thread is as bad as a news article comments section and for the most part, you're just as bad as each other, scoring points on others pain and shouting down each other.

I will give this thread one more chance to have some decency.

-The Velvet Hammer

I've been more than directly affected and haven't really had an issue with 98% of things said in this thread (no, this is not me claiming to be a spokesperson for anyone else who also has, just referring to me). To say that everyone here is behaving like children and that it's just a scoring game and a shouting match seems dismissive of the problem at hand; some dumb shit has been said but the vast majority of people here are on the same/a very similar wavelength when it comes to how sexual abuse of any sort should be handled, and that a lot of comments have been taken out of context or blown up past the point of recognition (if people weren't aware of the magnitude of the problem, there wouldn't have been as visceral a response as there was). Sexual assault at any level is an enormously destructive thing and I don't think there will ever be a way to have this fabled civilised discussion about it. If someone is ignorant to it and perhaps even hostile to what constitutes sexual assault, or that the difference between sexual assault and rape is a few letters and nothing else, then it's going to evoke a deep, personal reaction from someone who has been affected or has helped someone who has been. It's going to be passionate if nothing else, and even if a vast majority of the time having that conversation (especially in that way, and the same way it was had here) it will only ever push both people into their own trenches where they reinforce their ideas and close their minds to the other, it, even if very occasionally loosens someone's mind a bit to be more receptive to the idea that they may have been wrong about their thought process. That may be a romantic and overly optimistic thought process, but not as much as expecting people to be on their best behaviour when something so critical and upsetting is brought about.
tl;dr: there isn't a realistic "good way" to have this conversation.
If this is going to be a thread about sexual assault which gets shut down because it was so drastically terrible and childish then it was all for absolutely nothing and it will be one less place to be able to at least attempt to talk about these things. As Aens_wife said:

What is your solution, if not a public discussion where women get to be really angry?

Ugly Nora wrote:So how many of you outraged folks are still perpetuating the problem by consuming media created in Hollywood? This is a pervasive issue in Hollywood, it always has been, and by you purchasing their products you are basically empowering the offenders to continue to act this way. I have a feeling you might boycott a clothing company if they were known to use child labor or sweat shops. You might boycott diamond rings because it funded some war. Why not boycott Hollywood? Or would that be too inconvenient for you?

Because Hollywood is a town, not a specific clothing manufacturer or provider of diamonds so this is a sweeping (and bad) analogy?

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Yep. And if you pick up any product at the store,
Someone from that company has assaulted or harassed someone. The idea that this is special to Hollywood or even a portion of industries is laughable.

I have been harassed at every single place I have worked, except my own company. Every woman I know has a story of being really fucking uncomfortable or worse, across a variety of job sectors. It isn't just the entertainment industry and it's frustrating to me that anyone is trying to blame one place/time/industry.

Ugly Nora wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:

Ugly Nora wrote:So how many of you outraged folks are still perpetuating the problem by consuming media created in Hollywood? This is a pervasive issue in Hollywood, it always has been, and by you purchasing their products you are basically empowering the offenders to continue to act this way. I have a feeling you might boycott a clothing company if they were known to use child labor or sweat shops. You might boycott diamond rings because it funded some war. Why not boycott Hollywood? Or would that be too inconvenient for you?

Because Hollywood is a town, not a specific clothing manufacturer or provider of diamonds so this is a sweeping (and bad) analogy?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that if you picked any of your favorite Hollywood movies at random, there will be someone associated with that film who used their power and position in the industry to gain sexual favors. The odds simply favorite it. So, the analogy is actually fantastic.

Sure. If you consider that there are hundreds of people who work on a given film. But you're still using broad terms because you're being, what, lazily contrarian?

If a grip on How Green is My Valley tells someone to he worked on an Oscar Winning film to get a handjob, does that count as a brag or as exploiting their power and position to gain a sexual favor?

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I don't disagree with the assessment, but boycotting "Hollywood" because of Weinstein/Spacey is like boycotting cars because Henry Ford was an antisemite.