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dubkitty wrote:the last time i was in one of the multiple CD stores in Santa Cruz, there were at least fifteen people there, ranging in age from teenagers to people older than me, all shopping for and in many cases purchasing CDs and/or vinyl. you may also have heard of a little website called iTunes; they've been doing some business lately. people do, in fact, buy music; it's only people with an unjustified sense of entitlement who steal the fruits of other peoples' labor and then use elaborate pseudo-intellectualizations to justify their self-indulgence. but that's OK, right? "hobby musicians" can afford all the resources it takes to make great music, can't they? anyone can hire a full orchestra, and put them in the living room! there's nothing you can get from a 40-piece choir you can't get from a sample! everybody knows a six-piece horn section as part of their cohort, and can just call them up and ask them for a favor...or get volunteers from the fans on their website. Jesus H. Christ. why should anyone other than preening teenaged jerkoffs in their bedrooms even bother to MAKE music for anyone other than themselves, if the people consuming it only care that much, and have so little respect for the people creating the work?

veteransdaypoppy wrote:uh.. from my understanding, bands don't really make much money from cd sales unless they're selling em out on the merch table. buying a cd from a store pretty much just keeps labels afloat. licensing tunes to commercials, whatever, and coming to see bands locally is where they get their cashola.

places like bandcamp and bigcartel give the artist most of the profit for cd/download sales, but buying from a sam goody or an fye pretty much just pays the label... am i wrong? i don't really know, but that was the impression i was under. i never expected to make much money selling cds.

dubkitty wrote:the last time i was in one of the multiple CD stores in Santa Cruz, there were at least fifteen people there, ranging in age from teenagers to people older than me, all shopping for and in many cases purchasing CDs and/or vinyl. you may also have heard of a little website called iTunes; they've been doing some business lately. people do, in fact, buy music; it's only people with an unjustified sense of entitlement who steal the fruits of other peoples' labor and then use elaborate pseudo-intellectualizations to justify their self-indulgence. but that's OK, right? "hobby musicians" can afford all the resources it takes to make great music, can't they? anyone can hire a full orchestra, and put them in the living room! there's nothing you can get from a 40-piece choir you can't get from a sample! everybody knows a six-piece horn section as part of their cohort, and can just call them up and ask them for a favor...or get volunteers from the fans on their website. Jesus H. Christ. why should anyone other than preening teenaged jerkoffs in their bedrooms even bother to MAKE music for anyone other than themselves, if the people consuming it only care that much, and have so little respect for the people creating the work?

only 2.1 percent of the albums released in 2009 sold even 5,000 copies -- that's just 2,050 records out of nearly 100,000

unownunown wrote:in short: you can talk about how things 'should' be until you're blue in the face, but this is how things actually are now. i really don't care about your overly nostalgic opinions on downloading music. the fact remains that people are doing it more and more. physical media sales continue to fall. musicians need to alter their model to compliment these changes if they aim to make money.