Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:23 pm
Strange Tales wrote:Really I think the big issue here is that we should kill all humans.
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Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:24 pm
This is another good post from another good poster.wfs1234 wrote:I've been thinking about this a lot. We constantly dock pedals for not having this or that feature when those features make sense. For instance, it really bothers me when delays that sport a lot of features don't also have some kind of external sync function. Why should these be any different? They're capable of so much more than what they're doing with them. And they are, for the most part, extremely similar. So, their only option to gain market share is to create and sell an aesthetic. I don't want to pay for their aesthetic. That's why I get my stuff acid etched.
If they're going to use something that can do A LOT, then they should make it do A LOT. If you don't want to use all those features, you don't have to but at least they're there if you want to! If you're going to use the parts to make a sports car, then make a sports car. You can still drive it slow, but then you at least have the option to go let it rip.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:25 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cfsZ9O6QA[/youtube]
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:25 pm
No. I categorically etch all your pedals.
DoS, I know you're too kind to say it, so I will--just another bad post from another bad poster.
DoS, I know you're too kind to say it, so I will--just another bad post from another bad poster.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm
1. Buy BitQuest pedals
2. Etch them to look like OBNEs
3. ?????
4. Profit
2. Etch them to look like OBNEs
3. ?????
4. Profit
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:36 pm
No worries! With the way I worded it, it did sound like I categorically etched all my pedals. I haven't gotten as bad as Bhendy that way, at least, not yetUglyCasanova wrote:Oh yeah, for sure. I misunderstood you. I thought you said that you categorically etched all your pedals as a statement of you not wanting to pay for anyone's designwfs1234 wrote:I want to pay for good features, not a good aesthetic. If it has lots of good features I'll buy it, but I'm not going to buy a pedal just because it's pretty. If it's ugly I can pay someone to make it pretty, but making a pretty pedal doesn't make a good pedal.UglyCasanova wrote:wfs1234 wrote:I don't want to pay for their aesthetic. That's why I get my stuff acid etched.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:07 pm
If I want to drive slow, I don't want to pay more for the ability to go fast. I get the idea that you want to get the most bang for your buck, but to me that doesn't involve increasing the complexity for the sake of increasing the complexity and raising the price in the process. You're still going to be paying for an aesthetic either way, you're just going to be paying more for extra features on top of that.wfs1234 wrote:I've been thinking about this a lot. We constantly dock pedals for not having this or that feature when those features make sense. For instance, it really bothers me when delays that sport a lot of features don't also have some kind of external sync function. Why should these be any different? They're capable of so much more than what they're doing with them. And they are, for the most part, extremely similar. So, their only option to gain market share is to create and sell an aesthetic. I don't want to pay for their aesthetic. That's why I get my stuff acid etched.
If they're going to use something that can do A LOT, then they should make it do A LOT. If you don't want to use all those features, you don't have to but at least they're there if you want to! If you're going to use the parts to make a sports car, then make a sports car. You can still drive it slow, but then you at least have the option to go let it rip.
I don't like that OBNE is marketing a lifestyle as opposed to a line of effects pedals, I don't like that their pedals cost as much as they do, I don't like 5 of their 6 products but under all that the Black Fountain sounds great and I want it.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:25 pm
No, no...no, no...UC has finally swayed me. As soon as I figure out where OBNE is based, I'm going to suggest we fly there and lynch 'em. We can't have a monster like that on the loose!
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:28 pm
I feel like the zvex Inventobox is the epitomy of complexity for the sake of complexity. I see your point, and I agree. I like complexity, so, I want to pay for it. Ultimately, they're charging a lot for a look. I feel like pedals should cost more if they're "better": if they supposedly have an amazing tone, or they have expensive components, or they have lots of features then I can see charging a lot. But I don't want to pay money for mojo. I have no idea what kind of costs go into a spin chip. If it's significant and they're not using it to do something that can't be done for cheaper, then maybe they should do it cheaper and lower their prices. If they HAVE to use something that can do more and is more expensive, then they should make it do more to make it worth the extra cost.ApeLincoln wrote:If I want to drive slow, I don't want to pay more for the ability to go fast. I get the idea that you want to get the most bang for your buck, but to me that doesn't involve increasing the complexity for the sake of increasing the complexity and raising the price in the process. You're still going to be paying for an aesthetic either way, you're just going to be paying more for extra features on top of that.wfs1234 wrote:stuff
I don't like that OBNE is marketing a lifestyle as opposed to a line of effects pedals, I don't like that their pedals cost as much as they do, I don't like 5 of their 6 products but under all that the Black Fountain sounds great and I want it.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:43 pm
I think you guys are focusing on the chip too much though. The chip is a small fraction of the cost. At production volume they probably cost like five bucks each? Why should they include more modes just because the hardware is capable? The labor to produce more algorithms probably costs them like a year of revenue (uncited)
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:47 pm
Agreed with above.
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:13 pm
Dandolin wrote:Which chip will be the next Spin FV-1?
Potato chips? 
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:15 pm
^^I hope not the kind with Olestra in 'em...
but maybe some of these:
but maybe some of these:
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:20 pm
it's not as if anyone is accusing them of doing the Freekish Blues thing so I don't see why everyone's getting so bent about the idea that they could be doing things differently?
Re: OBNE Mondegreen
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:23 pm
FWIW, crucial disposition of the fundamental design-commerce nexus balance point aside, I've noted a tasty sonic implementation to one or two of their modes. Personally, I will more frequently get off on rolling my own "algorithms" the old-fashioned way, even if it sounds like donkey ass....