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plhogan wrote:On the fighting thing though, a lot of our "normal" urges are pretty shitty. I would say most of society is based on keeping us from acting on our urges our else we'd basically fuck whatever we didn't eat.

I just wanted to comment on this - hopefully without derailing the conversation. Can't always suppressing our "normal" urges be as detrimental as letting them run rampant? The guys I knew when I used to box were some of the nicest people I have ever met, and outside the ring were almost uniformly very polite, and easy-going people. Most of the fighters I have known - of any style - have been like this. On the flip-side of that, almost all of "nerd-ish" or whatever you'd call it - only intellectually focussed? - people I have known (IRL) have been huge jerks (with a few exceptions of course, as with anything).

i don't think boxing counts as acting on a normal urge, mainly due to the organized and civil nature of it. i think boxing is a totally healthy balance, though. it's a good way to express the urge without letting it control you.

when someone says natural or normal urges, i think of that totally weird carnal rage you get when someone says something infuriating or whatever. going berserker, totally not healthy physically or socially, lol .
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Expressing our urges appropriately I guess, as opposed to suppressing. Box, don't pick fights with strangers. Eat but not until you're a fatass. Fuck but not your cousin.

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An aside: If anyone wonders why I make so many qualifications in anything I say (all the quotes, and parenthesized things)... I am jfrey, a mighty forum member forged in the pit of ultimate-guitar.com. The power. The passion. The danger.

Oh references, I enjoy them far more than I should.

Seriously though, it sucks in there.
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jfrey wrote:An aside: If anyone wonders why I make so many qualifications in anything I say (all the quotes, and parenthesized things)... I am jfrey, a mighty forum member forged in the pit of ultimate-guitar.com. The power. The passion. The danger.

Oh references, I enjoy them far more than I should.

Seriously though, it sucks in there.


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Thirteen pages on bringing up children the best
...Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!
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...Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!


Well, guess it's about the time :whateva: :grumpy: for everybody to move on back to the Blooghost thread about the most punchable faces. And if there's anybody left with any interest to the early education the children and such, cork your bottles now, and yo-ho-fukken-ho.
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theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS


We do. We do. That's what the Gear forum is for. This is the forum where guys talk about putting their penises into other boys.
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Caesar wrote:
theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS


We do. We do. That's what the Gear forum is for. This is the forum where guys talk about putting their penises into other boys.


And for other Dick-ish issues, like the analytical literature history debate over the question whether the zoo-philiac Android indeed dreams of electric sheep. And for discussing the psychogenesis of the New Flesh today. And for pondering if people should re-consider the established and given family values of old and try to substitute these with something meaningful and healthy.

But this thread has been soiled so bad I feel it takes the bottle of rum and the devil to make it walk anymore.
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Caesar wrote:
theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS


We do. We do. That's what the Gear forum is for. This is the forum where guys talk about putting their penises into other boys.

really? why the hell do i always hang out at the GAS thread?
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Wait... so are we still fighting or not?

I'm down either way. I just wanna know what's up.
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McSpunckle wrote:Wait... so are we still fighting or not?

I'm down either way. I just wanna know what's up.


I think everyone's ready for their post-coital nap.
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Caesar wrote:
McSpunckle wrote:Wait... so are we still fighting or not?

I'm down either way. I just wanna know what's up.


I think everyone's ready for their post-coital nap.
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well, crap, there's a little substantive material i would like to quietly comment upon.

i think the fashion over time in education has changed from the overly competitive, dominant-male, fight-it-out culture that prevailed (everybody under 30 rolls eyes) when i was young--and in which, like the poster(s) above, i really didn't fit--to the current trend towards what many see as feminization. IMO they're WAY overcompensating now, which i suppose is inevitable. overcompensating is what humans do...as somebody wise said, "you become what you oppose."

i also wanted to give you a little backstory, which i ought to have done initially, which would have explained a lot about my emotional reaction to the subject of kids being dumped into environments for which they aren't adequately prepared. i grew up as one of three white kids in an otherwise black elementary school in a neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago. that wasn't a problem for me...i was totally comfortable. it was the environment i always knew. i grew up like the Blues Brothers' cousin, singing Temptations songs, hearing Slim Harpo's "Scratch My Back" wafting out the doorway of the bar on Vincennes Avenue while walking to the theatre to see a movie, and passing by Blind Arvella Grey busking for change at the 63rd Street elevated train station. then when i was ten years old my family moved to an all-white suburb outside of the city and i was totally lost. i had no fucking idea how these white kids behaved at all, and they treated me like i was from Mars for years while i gradually figured enough of their folkways to, in a weirdly surreal way, pass for white. it was a dreadful experience, and i wouldn't want those kids to have to go through learning the folkways of little kids, who can be astoundingly cruel in that lovely Lord Of The Flies way when unsupervised, if they don't have to.

now you can think about punching me in the face, k? i just wanted to explain that.
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dubkitty wrote:and i wouldn't want those kids to have to go through learning the folkways of little kids, who can be astoundingly cruel in that lovely Lord Of The Flies way when unsupervised, if they don't have to.

Clarification needed on this ^
Are you saying that the current trend - of overcompensation as you called it - is preferable to the potential harshness of the alternative? Or are you commenting here on the children that were the original subject of the thread, and of what happens when they eventually have to enter the rest of society in which they may very well be outcasts?
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jfrey wrote:Clarification needed on this ^
Are you saying that the current trend - of overcompensation as you called it - is preferable to the potential harshness of the alternative? Or are you commenting here on the children that were the original subject of the thread, and of what happens when they eventually have to enter the rest of society in which they may very well be outcasts?


referring to the children who were the original subject of the thread and the Star article.

WRT the educational policy thing, i'm not sure what the correct answer is. as i've stated or implied previously, i don't thing you can change human nature, and i assert on observation and belief that a lot of male and female stereotypical behavior is hard-wired; thus i don't think you can "feminize" little boys. if you deny them toy guns, they'll point sticks at each other and go "BANG." on the other hand, forcing kids that aren't suited to aggressive and overly or physically competitive environments into those situations isn't appropriate either. yes, a certain amount of adversity is a learning experience, but after a certain point it's just trials of Job, and that's not fair for an eight year old, is it?

i tend to agree in some ways with you in that i think one of civilized society's major problems is its lack of opportunities for people to exercise their leftover primitive and instinctual behaviors in non-destructive ways. i've been saying for decades that we'd be far better off if there were more ways in our culture for men to work out their hunter and warrior functions, which are still there because evolution doesn't move that fast. we're only a few thousand years from chasing down mammoths with spears. since i'm not so much into chasing things, i'd use a drum kit.
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