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DADGBD wrote:

psychic vampire. wrote:I just personally believe that even the people who believe in the possibility of scientific progress, when science is divorced from said corporate or political interests, are coming from an anthropocentric point if view. at the end of the day, i hold a personal position that technology and civilization - and all the components that prop them up - are worse for the planet and all animals, and that humanity should not hold dominion over the Earth or non human lives. I know it is a wing nutty belief, and i also have literally zero expectations that others will agree, it is just where i am coming from. I also know that this is a fight i have already lost, i know that some scientists actually agree with me, and i know that this belief is mutually exclusive with me using the internet to post on a message biard about electrical boxes. I live in a society that forces me to be a hypocrite every day.

D.o.S. wrote:Or if you don't live in a landlocked state.

DADGBD wrote:

psychic vampire. wrote:I just personally believe that even the people who believe in the possibility of scientific progress, when science is divorced from said corporate or political interests, are coming from an anthropocentric point if view. at the end of the day, i hold a personal position that technology and civilization - and all the components that prop them up - are worse for the planet and all animals, and that humanity should not hold dominion over the Earth or non human lives. I know it is a wing nutty belief, and i also have literally zero expectations that others will agree, it is just where i am coming from. I also know that this is a fight i have already lost, i know that some scientists actually agree with me, and i know that this belief is mutually exclusive with me using the internet to post on a message biard about electrical boxes. I live in a society that forces me to be a hypocrite every day.

Chankgeez wrote:So, I'm thinking about getting one of these. What do you guys think? What kind of effects would be best to use with it?

bigchiefbc wrote:The thing that I find funniest about the flat earth thing is that you don't even need the pictures in space to disprove it. Hell, the Greeks knew the earth was round thousands of years ago. Seafaring cultures figured it out, too. They could see that when a ship sailed away, its hull disappeared before its sails. And in reverse, when you're sailing away from land, the buildings disappeared, then the hills, then the mountains. They realized that the only way this makes sense is if they were looking at the horizon of a round surface.