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Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:41 pm
by Dark Barn
Christianity is like cat hair.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:00 pm
by casecandy
Dark Barn wrote:Christianity is like cat hair.
When it's white it sticks to your black clothes and when it's black it sticks to your white clothes?
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:13 pm
by aholidayatthesea
Dark Barn wrote:casecandy wrote:God help me (that wasn't intentional), I'm going to necrobump this thread, just to point out that there is a difference between a Christian company that exploits Christianity, or more likely their involvement in this-or-that megachurch, for personal gain, and a decent pedal company that happens to be run by a Christian, or even a company that is explicitly Christian, but does not exploit that for gain (this was stated in different words elsewhere in the thread.
This is a fuzzy distinction (not intentional).
Declaring your company to be explicitly Christian by itself is lame enough for me to take a pass, but if I did want to make this exploitation distinction how would I be able to tell? My problem is with using religion in the marketing in the first place, I don't need to wait for the exploitation shoe to drop. But if I did, how can you tell, what does that look like?
Edit: it should be pointed out that the builder you quote afterwards says it is exploitative to market as a Christian company. So if you agree with that, how do you arrive at a state of explicitly Christian?
Yeah, what exactly does that exploitation look like, and also, is it really THAT bad? If a Christian guy who makes pedals thinks that he'll make more money by telling people that he's a Christian, that just sounds like business. I don't see it as unethical unless he's lying about it.
I'm more likely to buy a pedal from a guy who is an ILFer, so is it unethical for a builder to exploit the fact that he's on ILF? I think it's just knowing your market and then catering to it.
Also, I don't see any problems with refusing to do business with a P&W gear manufacturer if they are hateful or bigoted, but if you're refusing to do business with them solely because of their religion, that kind of just sounds hateful and bigoted.
But hey, if it's not your bag then it's not your bag. Most Christian pedal makers just make low gain overdrives or simple reverbs and delays anyway. When a P&W guy comes out with a pedal that's incredibly innovative, then we'll have to have a new discussion.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:17 pm
by Scruffie
Dark Barn wrote:Christianity is like cat hair.
Tasty in a sandwich?
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:48 pm
by rfurtkamp
hbombgraphics wrote:
Most of the "vulgar" pedals are pretty funny
but there have been a few that I have re-painted or taped over because my kids like to play with stuff and there are some things your kids shouldn't have to learn from a pedal graphic.
Heh, I profited from one of those many years ago, still have the Soda Meiser around.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:54 pm
by casecandy
aholidayatthesea wrote:When a P&W guy comes out with a pedal that's incredibly innovative, then we'll have to have a new discussion.
Well, I feel like I'm overhyping them, but Hungry Robot is pretty innovative. All original circuits, no clones. The flagship overdrive (available in a high or low-gain version, or both in one pedal) has a row of eight individual dip switches for tweaking of the sound. Furthermore, their
Starlite reverb is the world's first tap-tempo modulating reverb. It self-oscillates and has huge trails and you can actually set the tempo of that noise to fit what you're playing. From talking to him I know he has other ambient stuff in the pipeline that's going to be pretty cool. At least on a par with OBNE/Mr. Black/those smaller, innovative companies.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:29 pm
by indianDYsummer
gordian knot wrote:Hi Devi
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:47 pm
by casecandy
indianDYsummer wrote:gordian knot wrote:Hi Devi
LOL
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:50 pm
by tremolo3
Will add Morgan Amps to the list of shit companies you should be aware of.
I just read some threads at TGP and did some quick googling about it. Naturally, got a warning and posts deleted for pointing that out over there. Confirmed for shitty P&W gear manufacturer.
Fight me, casecandy.
jk, nothing personal.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:56 pm
by casecandy
No it's cool. Cool-ish I guess.
What did Morgan do...
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:44 pm
by BLOOD EAGLE
I read this thread.
Man I really miss the Devi threads....
Also I think that Abominable Effects dude is totally P&W....
Could totally be wrong though....
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:22 pm
by odontophobia
BLOOD EAGLE wrote:I read this thread.
Man I really miss the Devi threads....
Also I think that Abominable Effects dude is totally P&W....
Could totally be wrong though....
Yeah, pretty sure he wept when Mr. Phelps passed.
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:54 pm
by casecandy
odontophobia wrote:BLOOD EAGLE wrote:I read this thread.
Man I really miss the Devi threads....
Also I think that Abominable Effects dude is totally P&W....
Could totally be wrong though....
Yeah, pretty sure he wept when Mr. Phelps passed.
Well who didn't though
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:06 pm
by gnomethrone
Re: P&W gear manufacturers
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:36 pm
by zeravla
This is now a worshiper cab thread
