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Shhhhh, quiet my dear, wouldn't want you to get zapped now, would we?

no...?

Your tears taste of fear. This pleases me.

The one thing a lot of anti gun people gloss over is my situation......I own guns primarily to defend myself against wild animals, so no amount of laws, banning, background checks etc will make my life safer.

Guns are tools of last resort, when you need one you need nothing else

I grew up in Newtown, Connecticut.

As Steve Earle said, it's too late for gun control, we need people control.

A big problem that we don't need is the whole paranoia/selling fear media atmosphere fostered here in the United States.

We do not need to have added almost 60 million guns to the U.S. citizens' arsenal in the last 15 years with little to no oversight on who's buying them and why.

I like guns. I like shooting them. I love the science and technology and history of them. I live in a super nice suburb with no crime. As much as I would enjoy a nice lever action rifle, I have no real use for one currently.

The paranoia fear thing is partially fueled by a lot of anti gun rhetoric, which freaks people out etc ad nauseum

If there was less freaking out on either side it would help the situation

Yeah, no, that's bullshit. The relationship gun aficionados have with their guns is unhealthy and gun culture is fucked up. I've lived in tiny ass "have to own a gun 'cause we're out in the woods" communities, and I understand that, but what you don't need is the right to buy guns with as much impunity as is currently available.

Laws/bans/background checks etc. don't affect your life in the slightest when it comes to your ability to buy a gun for things like hunting/animal control unless, you know, you're a violent felon or have some kind of mental imbalance in which case think about it like herd immunity and stop letting the weaponry boner distract you. The rest of it is just John Wayne-style heroic fantasies and HURR DURR SECOND AMENDMENT.

Yeah at this point guns are so ingrained into American culture that it's more about the principle of rights being taken away than it is about actually having practical reasons to own multiple guns. I really don't see why it's so ridiculous and horrible and un-American for the government to be able to ban something that not only can kill people, but is in fact designed for that purpose. There's definitely a lot of vigilante fantasy-ing going on.

On the other hand, the increasingly militarized police force is a big problem and there need to be way more restrictions (or are they just not being followed?) on what police officers are allowed to use.

I think there are three high schools right now currently on lockdown due to people being on a campus with a gun.

I hate political discussions, and I hate getting involved with them, but the gun laws in the US are seriously fucked.

I think it's a bit more complicated than just "banning the guns because other countries did it and it worked out" though. Because the police here use a lot more than batons. Not saying that there's an organized and armed revolution about to happen, but I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to take all the guns away while the police are seemingly more militarized every year

I'm not saying take them all away. That is an impossibility for this country. But they need to be far stricter.

yeah I can definitely agree with that

D.o.S. wrote:Yeah, no, that's bullshit. The relationship gun aficionados have with their guns is unhealthy and gun culture is fucked up. I've lived in tiny ass "have to own a gun 'cause we're out in the woods" communities, and I understand that, but what you don't need is the right to buy guns with as much impunity as is currently available.

Laws/bans/background checks etc. don't affect your life in the slightest when it comes to your ability to buy a gun for things like hunting/animal control unless, you know, you're a violent felon or have some kind of mental imbalance in which case think about it like herd immunity and stop letting the weaponry boner distract you. The rest of it is just John Wayne-style heroic fantasies and HURR DURR SECOND AMENDMENT.

Youre missing the point of my post. My point is a lot of anti gun say that banning guns or more gun control will make everyone safer....but some of us aren't worried about people. No amount of bans or gun control will control wildlife.


And I don't have a weaponry boner or john Wayne fantasies. We already have background checks etc to get the herd immunity that you have mentioned. Im not saying we need to have less laws, just not more.

At a certain point it's like killing all pitbulls because one bit someone, killing all Germans cause of hitler, or nuetuering all males cause they are potential rapist. We don't have a minority report style of predicting future crimes.

The overwhelming mass majority of gun owners are safe with their guns, yet somehow we get lumped in with every single bad guy out there. As it turns out.....gun owners are people too and some people are stupid and evil. We need to go after the stupid and evil, not every gun owner

When a mountain lion or a bear shoots up a school because they can't get laid, let me know.

As it stands, the laws and regulations we have are (fairly obviously) not working. And, exactly because "we don't have a Minority Report style of predicting future crimes," the easiest solution is to tighten restrictions on who can own guns -- something that, again, shouldn't affect responsible gun owners in the slightest beyond whatever minor inconvenience a longer waiting list or lessened accessibility to buy whatever weapon you want -- to ensure that the people-on-people violence is lessened.

The easy response to that is "but well the criminals will still get guns" and the answer to that is somewhat obvious: you don't make laws to govern what criminals (who are, by definition, law breakers) do: you make laws to govern what the law-abiding population can do, in a hope that the person with a clean criminal record who goes postal out of nowhere will have a harder time getting the sort of weaponry he or she would require to do so.

That's not "going after every gun owner" in the slightest. If I want to buy another gun I can get the process going tomorrow, but I'm not going to claim that my rights are getting trampled on if they make the waiting peroid longer, or if my selection is somewhat limited.