Esoterics // Superstition

[Bassus Sanguinis]

Sure.

[alexa.]

A quick test for everyone feeling curious enough about reality.
Notice: the movie is one big expression, interlinked, so if you plan on watching a part and saying: "I DON'T LIKE THAT THIS IS BULLSHIT"; don't watch it partially, watch it from start to end (part by part if you feel it's too much for you at once), listen to everything, don't judge, rather try to observe the world through that point of view. It will give you a better idea of what it is said, giving you understanding, then making you able to exclaim if you feel there is truth and logic in the statement, or you have reason not to believe it is a valid opinion. This could be a fun challenge to everyone priding themselves in their logic and scientific approach (etc.).
Enjoy the journey.
<3

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8[/youtube]

[alexa.]

bump?

[Chankgeez]

bump?

I haven't been following this thread for awhile. I watched that yagé documentary you posted some time back. I thought it was interesting, but biased (everything's biased). It reeked too much of psychonautic tourism (although I agreed with what the shaman was saying). Maybe I'll watch this one you recently posted here?

[alexa.]

So nobody wanted to watch the movie?
It's interesting, and it's true food for thought.

This is interesting too (but much more superficial than the previous video I posted):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRqL09raIQ[/youtube]

Also, I've seen about 20 unexplainable flying objects, and I know how to differentiate between a falling star and a satellite.

[rfurtkamp]

Not much of a UFO guy, sorry, my interest in the wierd is pretty much confined to magick.

[devnulljp]

This is better than all your homeopathically diluted deepakchoprawoo put together
Looks like they might have found the GODDAMN particle ...
4 sigma signals is getting pretty damn close

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

[phantasmagorovich]

This is better than all your homeopathically diluted deepakchoprawoo put together
Looks like they might have found the GODDAMN particle ...
4 sigma signals is getting pretty damn close

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

But what does this mean to me?
I mean, apart from the fact that I had to follow his links for someone to be kind enough to actually explain what 'the hicks' was, it is cool to find out what you can find out, but "the last piece of the standard model" and being so important, "because interacting with the Higgs is what gives all the other particles their mass", I just don't know what difference this makes to me. Would my life and my view of the world, my values and perception be changed by a review of the standard model? Or reinforced by its final approval beyond doubt? (Well, I'll just have to believe that 5 sigma IS beyond doubt, because, again, I have no idea what that means.)

See, there's something wrong there. I know some of what advanced science does can be explained in a way that is understandable. Why isn't that widely done? Why can a magazine like Wired (that's where the quotes are from btw) not explain this in a way that means something to me? Because it cannot be done? And if it cannot be done, what does it mean to me at all? I get the feeling that a lot of advanced science has encapsulated itself away from everyday life, no wonder people are looking for answers elsewhere.
I seldom stay awake at night and wonder how gravity works.

[alexa.]

NSFW: show

A quick test for everyone feeling curious enough about reality.
Notice: the movie is one big expression, interlinked, so if you plan on watching a part and saying: "I DON'T LIKE THAT THIS IS BULLSHIT"; don't watch it partially, watch it from start to end (part by part if you feel it's too much for you at once), listen to everything, don't judge, rather try to observe the world through that point of view. It will give you a better idea of what it is said, giving you understanding, then making you able to exclaim if you feel there is truth and logic in the statement, or you have reason not to believe it is a valid opinion. This could be a fun challenge to everyone priding themselves in their logic and scientific approach (etc.).
Enjoy the journey.
<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

I'll just do this again.

[phantasmagorovich]

NSFW: show

A quick test for everyone feeling curious enough about reality.
Notice: the movie is one big expression, interlinked, so if you plan on watching a part and saying: "I DON'T LIKE THAT THIS IS BULLSHIT"; don't watch it partially, watch it from start to end (part by part if you feel it's too much for you at once), listen to everything, don't judge, rather try to observe the world through that point of view. It will give you a better idea of what it is said, giving you understanding, then making you able to exclaim if you feel there is truth and logic in the statement, or you have reason not to believe it is a valid opinion. This could be a fun challenge to everyone priding themselves in their logic and scientific approach (etc.).
Enjoy the journey.
<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

I'll just do this again.

Dude that's like 90 minutes. Much too long for an occasional ilf survey.

[Derelict78]

Why can a magazine like Wired (that's where the quotes are from btw) not explain this in a way that means something to me? Because it cannot be done? And if it cannot be done, what does it mean to me at all? I get the feeling that a lot of advanced science has encapsulated itself away from everyday life, no wonder people are looking for answers elsewhere.
I seldom stay awake at night and wonder how gravity works.

It might not effect your life now or ever BUT inventions of the future near and far could be based on this and could drastically change your life. Even proven False would change a lot of things.
Also I watched about 1/3-1/2 that vid and it was pretty cool, not mind blowing or anything but pretty cool. I rarely have and hour of straight free time. I may finish it latter.

[alexa.]

NSFW: show

A quick test for everyone feeling curious enough about reality.
Notice: the movie is one big expression, interlinked, so if you plan on watching a part and saying: "I DON'T LIKE THAT THIS IS BULLSHIT"; don't watch it partially, watch it from start to end (part by part if you feel it's too much for you at once), listen to everything, don't judge, rather try to observe the world through that point of view. It will give you a better idea of what it is said, giving you understanding, then making you able to exclaim if you feel there is truth and logic in the statement, or you have reason not to believe it is a valid opinion. This could be a fun challenge to everyone priding themselves in their logic and scientific approach (etc.).
Enjoy the journey.
<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

I'll just do this again.

Dude that's like 90 minutes. Much too long for an occasional ilf survey.

It's worth it. I wouldn't be so insisting if it wasn't.

[devnulljp]

But what does this mean to me?

It means that we're right about physics -- that affects you, whether you know it or not (you're on the Internet right?). You live in a technological sociey, and the things you do every day -- Internet, cell phone, driving, watch TV, use a tube amp ... --

See, there's something wrong there. I know some of what advanced science does can be explained in a way that is understandable. Why isn't that widely done?

It is. Scour through the pop sci section of your local bookstore (it's usually only a shelf or two, in place of the racks and racks of The Secret) or on Amazon. It can take a bit of work to really understand it though. That's why homeopathy and reiki and astrology and religion and all that other crap is so popular -- it's so easy.

[phantasmagorovich]

But what does this mean to me?

It means that we're right about physics -- that affects you, whether you know it or not (you're on the Internet right?). You live in a technological sociey, and the things you do every day -- Internet, cell phone, driving, watch TV, use a tube amp ... --

See, there's something wrong there. I know some of what advanced science does can be explained in a way that is understandable. Why isn't that widely done?

It is. Scour through the pop sci section of your local bookstore (it's usually only a shelf or two, in place of the racks and racks of The Secret) or on Amazon. It can take a bit of work to really understand it though. That's why homeopathy and reiki and astrology and religion and all that other crap is so popular -- it's so easy.

Pt. 1: Is the discovery of this boson the reason for my tube amp to stop working? Well, then damn, undiscover that piece of hickup right away please. I'm not talking about elementary physics like what we learned in school, it's obvious that stuff can be applied in a way that matters to me. (Cellphone, internet, tube technology, microchips etc) But what does the discovery of a boson matter to me?

Pt. 2: Yup, you are right in a way. What I am asking is basically: Why can't popular science be as easy to understand as esoterics? Obviously conclusions made by deductive means are more complex than those you come to by inductive means. But why can't people explain it in inductive ways, so that I understand what it does matter to me.

[bigchiefbc]

But what does this mean to me?

It means that we're right about physics -- that affects you, whether you know it or not (you're on the Internet right?). You live in a technological sociey, and the things you do every day -- Internet, cell phone, driving, watch TV, use a tube amp ... --

See, there's something wrong there. I know some of what advanced science does can be explained in a way that is understandable. Why isn't that widely done?

It is. Scour through the pop sci section of your local bookstore (it's usually only a shelf or two, in place of the racks and racks of The Secret) or on Amazon. It can take a bit of work to really understand it though. That's why homeopathy and reiki and astrology and religion and all that other crap is so popular -- it's so easy.

Pt. 1: Is the discovery of this boson the reason for my tube amp to stop working? Well, then damn, undiscover that piece of hickup right away please. I'm not talking about elementary physics like what we learned in school, it's obvious that stuff can be applied in a way that matters to me. (Cellphone, internet, tube technology, microchips etc) But what does the discovery of a boson matter to me?

All of those technologies are based on physics that we just discovered in the last century. It wasn't elementary at the time, it was a new, relatively obscure discovery at the time. So who knows what awesome technology may come out of this discovery? The Higgs boson is what controls mass, and thus inertia/momentum. Maybe we'll eventually learn how to manipulate those things. I want my fucking inertial dampeners like in star trek.