raising kids without gender

theavondon · Post by **theavondon** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:21 pm

I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS

MEC · Post by **MEC** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:26 pm

theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS

So, this one time, I was fucking this fuzz pedal....... :wha?:

Scruffie · Post by **Scruffie** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:42 pm

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:
theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS

So, this one time, I was fucking this fuzz pedal.......

Dude... did you totally slip your fingers in its jack socket?

Ironbird13 · Post by **Ironbird13** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:43 pm

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:
theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS

So, this one time, I was fucking this fuzz pedal.......

ashdown · Post by **ashdown** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:32 am

theavondon wrote:I wish we could all just be talking about FUCKING FUZZ PEDALS

i was waiting for this

jfrey · Post by **jfrey** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:22 am

I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

ashdown · Post by **ashdown** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:34 am

jfrey wrote:I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

i have a huge problem with that

theavondon · Post by **theavondon** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:42 am

jfrey wrote:I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

Because...violence is no bueno?

Mudfuzz · Post by **Mudfuzz** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:58 am

jfrey wrote:I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

Times change... this was not how things were when I was in school. I always thought fighting was stupid [it was never one on one, fuckers], and the whole competitiveness, and fucking sports too. I said it then and I'll say it now, fuck that shit and fuck those fucking fuckers.

plhogan · Post by **plhogan** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:01 am

jfrey wrote:I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

I have a big problem with the whole "anti-exceptionalism" thing, knowing how smart most ILFers are I bet we all have stories about being forced to basically shut up and keep quiet so other kids wouldnt "feel bad".

On the fighting thing though, a lot of our "normal" urges are pretty shitty. I would say most of society is based on keeping us from acting on our urges our else we'd basically fuck whatever we didn't eat.

At least I would.

theavondon · Post by **theavondon** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:05 am

plhogan wrote:
jfrey wrote:I always hear about stories with boys or girls being forced to not do things that are "uncharacteristic" of their gender. I'm curious though why I never hear things about boys or girls not being allowed to do things that are "characteristic" of their gender.

It always seemed to me that my elementary school (especially), and all the schools I went to after really tried to make the boys act in a way I'd consider very female. Any sort of competition (aside from high school sports) was discouraged, and everything was always about feelings (to the point where I was once disciplined for excelling, because that might hurt the feelings of people that weren't doing as well). And they were really hardcore about not letting any fighting go on. Fighting is probably the most normal thing in the world.

I have a big problem with the whole "anti-exceptionalism" thing, knowing how smart most ILFers are I bet we all have stories about being forced to basically shut up and keep quiet so other kids wouldnt "feel bad".

On the fighting thing though, a lot of our "normal" urges are pretty shitty. I would say most of society is based on keeping us from acting on our urges our else we'd basically fuck whatever we didn't eat.

At least I would.

I dunno, from my (relatively recent) experiences of public education, I've not witnessed one bit of "anti-exceptionalism". In fact, talent and intelligence was only encouraged. I've only heard of that stuff happening in an Ayn Rand novel.

plhogan · Post by **plhogan** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:11 am

Then you're one of the lucky ones. I'm certainly not saying the concept is commonplace or institutionalized but it's something specific, bad teachers can impose. I'm not trying to be some crazy tea-party wackjob claiming "American exceptionalism is dead! Obama killed it!". It's seemed to me more a product of lazy or misguided teachers who would rather not deal with any sort of classroom strife. I'd say it's more indicative of a culture of whiny parents and kowtowing administrators.

plhogan · Post by **plhogan** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:13 am

Also my teacher's always hated me and I was kind of a precocious pain in the ass so maybe it's a product of my own ego. Not gonna deny that possiblity.

theavondon · Post by **theavondon** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:14 am

plhogan wrote: I'd say it's more indicative of a culture of whiny parents and kowtowing administrators.

Oh, well, then, in that case, yes, there's a ton of that shit. :thumb:

jfrey · Post by **jfrey** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:19 am

plhogan wrote:On the fighting thing though, a lot of our "normal" urges are pretty shitty. I would say most of society is based on keeping us from acting on our urges our else we'd basically fuck whatever we didn't eat.

I just wanted to comment on this - hopefully without derailing the conversation. Can't always suppressing our "normal" urges be as detrimental as letting them run rampant? The guys I knew when I used to box were some of the nicest people I have ever met, and outside the ring were almost uniformly very polite, and easy-going people. Most of the fighters I have known - of any style - have been like this. On the flip-side of that, almost all of "nerd-ish" or whatever you'd call it - only intellectually focussed? Like to the exclusion of other things - people I have known (IRL) have been huge jerks - usually arrogant and pretentious (with a few exceptions of course, as with anything).

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