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Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:18 am
by rfurtkamp
Yea, really depends on how you use the deck as far as what symbolism or approaches end up being relevant.
It's a miniature "universe in pocket" ceremonial magick tool for me, not for introspection, not for divination, but rather the temple in miniature that I can lay out and use as needed.
Puts me at odds with most end users, but hey, what else is new.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:27 am
by gunslinger_burrito
@rfurtkamp
Recommend some good writings by Blake? I love his artwork....
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:33 am
by rfurtkamp
Would start straight off with "Marriage of Heaven and Hell", combining some of his best work across the board.
You'll spot more band names, song titles, et cetera than sin.
In pop culture, if you're amused by Blake, check out Jarmusch's "Dead Man" - a very well done Western with Depp as William Blake, an accountant mistaken for the actual William Blake, on a tale of misadventure, mysticism, and vengeance. Bonus points for very loud, atmospheric fuzz-drenched Neil Young electric only - no vocals - soundtrack.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:40 am
by Derelict78
rfurtkamp wrote:It's a miniature "universe in pocket" ceremonial magick tool for me, not for introspection, not for divination, but rather the temple in miniature that I can lay out and use as needed.
This is what I use tarot for. Not that I dont believe in the possibility of precognition but for me they have always been a ritual tool. That is why I tie it so heavily to the tree of live which is in itself a microcosm of the macrocosm.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:26 pm
by gunslinger_burrito
@rfurtkamp
Dead Man is awesome! Have you ever listened to US Christmas? If you liked Neil Young's soundtrack to that film, you'd probably like them.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:50 pm
by jfrey
USX is amazing. Run Thick in the Night is my favourite album of theirs.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:57 pm
by rfurtkamp
gunslinger_burrito wrote:@rfurtkamp
Dead Man is awesome! Have you ever listened to US Christmas? If you liked Neil Young's soundtrack to that film, you'd probably like them.
Can't say I have but added to my list based on that alone!
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:09 pm
by Derelict78
yea us christmas is pretty rad
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:57 pm
by rfurtkamp
Yea, added a couple of their albums to my buy list, bastard mix of twiddling with tape echoes and Hawkwind on the first Youtube link I found.
Can't argue with that.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:19 pm
by alexa.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6tjwomnR0[/youtube]
Alan <3
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:08 am
by Bassus Sanguinis
gunslinger_burrito wrote:There are some bits and pieces of Kabbalah in the Tarot of Marseilles even, but the majority of Kabbalah and (I'm pretty sure, but not 100% positive) ALL Egyptian themes were added over time.
Definitely, a turning point was the Swiss occultist Oswald Wirth ho studied occultism with Stanislas de Guaita. De Guaita was later to have influence on Papus who wrote an important study in occult tarot, and Eliphas Levi took on from there, having an important influence on the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley. And so on.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:49 am
by Derelict78
Bassus Sanguinis wrote:Eliphas Levi took on from there, having an important influence on the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley. And so on.
Yeah Crowley claimed to be the reincarnation of Eliphas Levi
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:04 am
by gunslinger_burrito
Bassus Sanguinis wrote:gunslinger_burrito wrote:There are some bits and pieces of Kabbalah in the Tarot of Marseilles even, but the majority of Kabbalah and (I'm pretty sure, but not 100% positive) ALL Egyptian themes were added over time.
Definitely, a turning point was the Swiss occultist Oswald Wirth ho studied occultism with Stanislas de Guaita. De Guaita was later to have influence on Papus who wrote an important study in occult tarot, and Eliphas Levi took on from there, having an important influence on the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley. And so on.
oof. Yup. I looked at some his Tarot. Egypt and Kabbalah. I'm just so used to the color symbolism in the restored Marseilles deck..... Not to mention that I think (maybe?) this is the first appearance of a goat-headed devil. In the original Marseilles deck the devil is way different.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:55 am
by Bassus Sanguinis
gunslinger_burrito wrote:Bassus Sanguinis wrote:gunslinger_burrito wrote:There are some bits and pieces of Kabbalah in the Tarot of Marseilles even, but the majority of Kabbalah and (I'm pretty sure, but not 100% positive) ALL Egyptian themes were added over time.
Definitely, a turning point was the Swiss occultist Oswald Wirth ho studied occultism with Stanislas de Guaita. De Guaita was later to have influence on Papus who wrote an important study in occult tarot, and Eliphas Levi took on from there, having an important influence on the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley. And so on.
oof. Yup. I looked at some his Tarot. Egypt and Kabbalah. I'm just so used to the color symbolism in the restored Marseilles deck..... Not to mention that I think (maybe?) this is
the first appearance of a goat-headed devil. In the original Marseilles deck the devil is way different.
Mmmm perhaps. I would have suspected Wirthe was the first to imply this imagery - since the original Marseilles deck has the traditionally grotesque devil face - but I can just as well be plain wrong.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:23 am
by Big Mon
no love for runic readings?