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Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:53 pm
by spacelordmother
Or get yourself a dual momentary looper, leave them latched in the loop and click clicky to your heart's content.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:23 pm
by whoismarykelly
DigiTechRep wrote:It is more than latency, by using two Ricochets you are also pitch-shifting an already pitch-shifted signal. There are bound to be artifacts and other anomalies.
That's not how they get used actually. Im usually playing a part and I'll hit the up one and then it will be back down when I go to hit the down one. Its rare that there is any overlap between the way the two function. The latency is when neither is doing anything but are in momentary mode. I can have zero pedals on my board on and there is noticeable latency just because there are two Ricochets 'on deck' to pitch shift at any moment. One isn't bad so I can leave one on momentary. Two is too much unfortunately.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:25 pm
by whoismarykelly
Chankgeez wrote:Would running them in parallel help?
Possibly although that would require two very custom cables I don't want to make.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:25 pm
by whoismarykelly
spacelordmother wrote:Or get yourself a dual momentary looper, leave them latched in the loop and click clicky to your heart's content.
That wouldn't work with how those pedals work. The switch simulates the action of a treadle. Its not just an on/off switch.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:35 pm
by Tom Von Kramm
whoismarykelly wrote:
DigiTechRep wrote:It is more than latency, by using two Ricochets you are also pitch-shifting an already pitch-shifted signal. There are bound to be artifacts and other anomalies.
That's not how they get used actually. Im usually playing a part and I'll hit the up one and then it will be back down when I go to hit the down one. Its rare that there is any overlap between the way the two function. The latency is when neither is doing anything but are in momentary mode. I can have zero pedals on my board on and there is noticeable latency just because there are two Ricochets 'on deck' to pitch shift at any moment. One isn't bad so I can leave one on momentary. Two is too much unfortunately.
Ah, gotcha.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:43 pm
by pd~
We spent a good deal of time trying to get the momentary mode just right, but unfortunately latency is the nature of the pitch-shifting beast. We could reduce latency by ramping into/out of DSP 'dry' at various rates and times, but that had its own set of issues (audible thumping). While fitting the Whammy into this small form factor, true-bypass latching and buffered momentary was our happy medium.
vidret wrote:or run enough of them in series so that you hear and play them like echoes.

fix'd.
Black Friday 2016: Buy 9 Ricochets, get the 10th one for just one penny!
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Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:00 pm
by D.o.S.
:lol:

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:48 pm
by kbit
You could leave which ever one you use more on momentary and the other one on latching? Not perfect but maybe negotiable.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:18 pm
by rfurtkamp
pd~ wrote: Black Friday 2016: Buy 9 Ricochets, get the 10th one for just one penny!
latency_city.png
KIDS, LET'S GO GET SPATULAS AT LATENCY CITY!

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:00 pm
by popvulture
flapjacks n' slapbacks

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:40 pm
by whoismarykelly
Decided to try the parallel arrangement and ordered some tiny Canare GS4 to make two Y cables. This opens up the possibility of using both at once to gliss a single note into a chord and back to a single note.

Edit - actually this wont work because then there will always be dry signal from the other side of the signal chain.

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:53 pm
by ProCarsteNation
:success:
that moment when Red Panda reposts a pedalboard on instagram and you go
"hang on, two ricochets... I know who this is! :omg: "

Re: Latency is a bitch.

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:25 pm
by whoismarykelly
ProCarsteNation wrote::success:
that moment when Red Panda reposts a pedalboard on instagram and you go
"hang on, two ricochets... I know who this is! :omg: "
Lol. I was surprised because the Bitmap isnt that prominent in the pic