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Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:07 pm
by hazelwould
Chankgeez wrote:Text from the Wren and Cuff site, hope this helps:
"The Boss HM-2 was laid to rest in 1991 when the last of the wannabe Marshall-amp in a box pedals rolled off the line…
A puzzling pedal to some and downright hated by others, the funeral was not attended by many and met with a sigh of relief by those who loathed it’s buzz-saw brand of high-gain distortion.
However there was a small group of loyal followers that grieved the death of this black and orange beast.
Despite the drop in sales the pedal experienced causing Boss to cease production, a wide swath of bands gave the HM-2 a permanent residence on their pedal-boards. Swedish Death Metal legends like Entombed and Dismember had long ago made it an essential “always on” part of their setup while bands from My Bloody Valentine to The Jesus and Mary Chain were using it to help craft their walls of distorted guitar noise chaos. Others saw it showing up under the feet of some of the most noted bands that emerged in the now historic grunge-wave of the nineties.
Enter the Wren and Cuff Hang Man 2D, a detailed recreation of Boss’ “Heavy Metal” pedal.
With a circuit more complicated than many digital delays, and the ability for the average person to get an original HM-2 on ebay for pretty cheap, many may wonder why the hell we decided to remake this pedal.
The answer? Because I (Matt) wanted to. As with many of our recreations, it became an obsession and difficult task to really nail the tone. As usual, it went way beyond getting a schematic. It became a task requiring ears and hours.
Also, a hand-wired, hand-loaded, circuit board using 1/4 watt metal film resistors instead of the 1/8 watt carbon film on the original is a nice thing if you like this pedal. The noise floor becomes dramatically less, and colorful overtones become much more apparent. Add to that the usual Wren and Cuff luxuries of 100% mechanical, true hard-wired bypass, rugged all metal Alpha pots mounted directly to the chassis, a Modern and Vintage toggle switch, tough metal enclosure and gorgeous art work… And one can see the value of the Hangman 2 over the original.
(*All of the references below apply to both the original HM-2 and our Hang Man 2D.)
This pedal can go from super compressed, tight, smooth distortion, to a snarling buzz-saw monster that brings out every pick-to-string strike you throw at it. Surprisingly though, one trait it does not possess is the extreme scoop to the mids many associate with “Heavy Metal.” One of the secrets to it’s tone is the somewhat strange configuration of it’s “color mix” section.
There is the “low” knob which functions as one would expect, and a high knob to help shape the tone. But the “high” knob is kind of an odd-ball in how it effects things. The high-mids are tied together so that the high knob is more of a upper-mids to treble control which can make getting great sounds out of it a bit tricky… but this is also the charm of it. It’s not a pedal all will turn on and immediately fall in love with. It’s a pedal that will make you search for the sweet spot between the pedal’s own crunch and the amp it’s being fed into.
Many in the death-metal crowd dime everything, pummel the front end of a solid state or tube amp, then EQ the whole amp around the pedal. But most often the pedal’s output is pushed up hard enough to mesh with an amp’s natural distortion and the high knob jacked up enough to introduce the buzz-saw grind.
In other words, it’s tweaked until one finds the sweet spots lurking inside the Hang Man.
Do an HM-2 search on you tube and you’ll see the difference between those who have learned the hidden tricks of the HM-2, and those who still need some schooling. You’ll hear some of the thickest most brutal sounds a pedal can produce, but you’ll also hear some of the worst “bee trapped in a jar” tones that would make anyone cringe.
Then why recreate a pedal that isn’t instantly awesome to the average user? Because I love it when a seemingly simple pedal makes you get out a shovel and dig for the gold nuggets inside. These are the things no modeler can reproduce. However, the “D” in our HM-2D is there for a reason. It stands for “Deluxe” because of a few tweaks applied to the circuit to make the pedal even more fun.
There is a vintage/modern switch that lets you to reconfigure the clipping diodes allowing you bounce between “stock” at one setting, and a less compressed more overdrive-meets-distortion sound as well as a boost to the output level."
Oh yea, that helps.

Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:13 pm
by DannDubbleEwe
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:21 pm
by bowdown2bauhaus
woolyh wrote:MBV and JAMC both used HM-2s to get their sound? Never really heard the pedal being associated with them before.
Anyway for people with lots of money it's nice I guess but there's still plenty of cheap HM-2s out there... outside Scandinavia that is ;p
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-1vcuKcXeI[/youtube]
I never heard MBV being associated with HM-2's either. Quite honestly this sounds like a waste, it actually sounds more like an HM-3. HM-2's to me will always be that high frequency "GAHK" sound you get only when you mash all the knobs to the right.
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:24 pm
by Chankgeez
hazelwould wrote:Chankgeez wrote:Text from the Wren and Cuff site, hope this helps:
"The Boss HM-2 was laid to rest in 1991 when the last of the wannabe Marshall-amp in a box pedals rolled off the line…
A puzzling pedal to some and downright hated by others, the funeral was not attended by many and met with a sigh of relief by those who loathed it’s buzz-saw brand of high-gain distortion.
However there was a small group of loyal followers that grieved the death of this black and orange beast.
Despite the drop in sales the pedal experienced causing Boss to cease production, a wide swath of bands gave the HM-2 a permanent residence on their pedal-boards. Swedish Death Metal legends like Entombed and Dismember had long ago made it an essential “always on” part of their setup while bands from My Bloody Valentine to The Jesus and Mary Chain were using it to help craft their walls of distorted guitar noise chaos. Others saw it showing up under the feet of some of the most noted bands that emerged in the now historic grunge-wave of the nineties.
Enter the Wren and Cuff Hang Man 2D, a detailed recreation of Boss’ “Heavy Metal” pedal.
With a circuit more complicated than many digital delays, and the ability for the average person to get an original HM-2 on ebay for pretty cheap, many may wonder why the hell we decided to remake this pedal.
The answer? Because I (Matt) wanted to. As with many of our recreations, it became an obsession and difficult task to really nail the tone. As usual, it went way beyond getting a schematic. It became a task requiring ears and hours.
Also, a hand-wired, hand-loaded, circuit board using 1/4 watt metal film resistors instead of the 1/8 watt carbon film on the original is a nice thing if you like this pedal. The noise floor becomes dramatically less, and colorful overtones become much more apparent. Add to that the usual Wren and Cuff luxuries of 100% mechanical, true hard-wired bypass, rugged all metal Alpha pots mounted directly to the chassis, a Modern and Vintage toggle switch, tough metal enclosure and gorgeous art work… And one can see the value of the Hangman 2 over the original.
(*All of the references below apply to both the original HM-2 and our Hang Man 2D.)
This pedal can go from super compressed, tight, smooth distortion, to a snarling buzz-saw monster that brings out every pick-to-string strike you throw at it. Surprisingly though, one trait it does not possess is the extreme scoop to the mids many associate with “Heavy Metal.” One of the secrets to it’s tone is the somewhat strange configuration of it’s “color mix” section.
There is the “low” knob which functions as one would expect, and a high knob to help shape the tone. But the “high” knob is kind of an odd-ball in how it effects things. The high-mids are tied together so that the high knob is more of a upper-mids to treble control which can make getting great sounds out of it a bit tricky… but this is also the charm of it. It’s not a pedal all will turn on and immediately fall in love with. It’s a pedal that will make you search for the sweet spot between the pedal’s own crunch and the amp it’s being fed into.
Many in the death-metal crowd dime everything, pummel the front end of a solid state or tube amp, then EQ the whole amp around the pedal. But most often the pedal’s output is pushed up hard enough to mesh with an amp’s natural distortion and the high knob jacked up enough to introduce the buzz-saw grind.
In other words, it’s tweaked until one finds the sweet spots lurking inside the Hang Man.
Do an HM-2 search on you tube and you’ll see the difference between those who have learned the hidden tricks of the HM-2, and those who still need some schooling. You’ll hear some of the thickest most brutal sounds a pedal can produce, but you’ll also hear some of the worst “bee trapped in a jar” tones that would make anyone cringe.
Then why recreate a pedal that isn’t instantly awesome to the average user? Because I love it when a seemingly simple pedal makes you get out a shovel and dig for the gold nuggets inside. These are the things no modeler can reproduce. However, the “D” in our HM-2D is there for a reason. It stands for “Deluxe” because of a few tweaks applied to the circuit to make the pedal even more fun.
There is a vintage/modern switch that lets you to reconfigure the clipping diodes allowing you bounce between “stock” at one setting, and a less compressed more overdrive-meets-distortion sound as well as a boost to the output level."
Oh yea, that helps.

There. That's better.
See, he doesn't care if you don't wanna pay $250 for one of his pedals.
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:59 pm
by woolyh
bowdown2bauhaus wrote:Quite honestly this sounds like a waste, it actually sounds more like an HM-3.
Sobbat has been making a boutique HM-3 clone for a while now which has quite a following, probably 100% due to the Edge from U2 using one
Boutique Boss metal tones are worth big bucks ;p
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:25 am
by Holy Schnikes
Chankgeez wrote:Text from the Wren and Cuff site, hope this helps:
"The Boss HM-2 was laid to rest in 1991 when the last of the wannabe Marshall-amp in a box pedals rolled off the line…
A puzzling pedal to some and downright hated by others, the funeral was not attended by many and met with a sigh of relief by those who loathed it’s buzz-saw brand of high-gain distortion.
However there was a small group of loyal followers that grieved the death of this black and orange beast.
Despite the drop in sales the pedal experienced causing Boss to cease production, a wide swath of bands gave the HM-2 a permanent residence on their pedal-boards. Swedish Death Metal legends like Entombed and Dismember had long ago made it an essential “always on” part of their setup while bands from My Bloody Valentine to The Jesus and Mary Chain were using it to help craft their walls of distorted guitar noise chaos. Others saw it showing up under the feet of some of the most noted bands that emerged in the now historic grunge-wave of the nineties.
Enter the Wren and Cuff Hang Man 2D, a detailed recreation of Boss’ “Heavy Metal” pedal.
With a circuit more complicated than many digital delays, and the ability for the average person to get an original HM-2 on ebay for pretty cheap, many may wonder why the hell we decided to remake this pedal.
The answer? Because I (Matt) wanted to. As with many of our recreations, it became an obsession and difficult task to really nail the tone. As usual, it went way beyond getting a schematic. It became a task requiring ears and hours.
Also, a hand-wired, hand-loaded, circuit board using 1/4 watt metal film resistors instead of the 1/8 watt carbon film on the original is a nice thing if you like this pedal. The noise floor becomes dramatically less, and colorful overtones become much more apparent. Add to that the usual Wren and Cuff luxuries of 100% mechanical, true hard-wired bypass, rugged all metal Alpha pots mounted directly to the chassis, a Modern and Vintage toggle switch, tough metal enclosure and gorgeous art work… And one can see the value of the Hangman 2 over the original.
(*All of the references below apply to both the original HM-2 and our Hang Man 2D.)
This pedal can go from super compressed, tight, smooth distortion, to a snarling buzz-saw monster that brings out every pick-to-string strike you throw at it. Surprisingly though, one trait it does not possess is the extreme scoop to the mids many associate with “Heavy Metal.” One of the secrets to it’s tone is the somewhat strange configuration of it’s “color mix” section.
There is the “low” knob which functions as one would expect, and a high knob to help shape the tone. But the “high” knob is kind of an odd-ball in how it effects things. The high-mids are tied together so that the high knob is more of a upper-mids to treble control which can make getting great sounds out of it a bit tricky… but this is also the charm of it. It’s not a pedal all will turn on and immediately fall in love with. It’s a pedal that will make you search for the sweet spot between the pedal’s own crunch and the amp it’s being fed into.
Many in the death-metal crowd dime everything, pummel the front end of a solid state or tube amp, then EQ the whole amp around the pedal. But most often the pedal’s output is pushed up hard enough to mesh with an amp’s natural distortion and the high knob jacked up enough to introduce the buzz-saw grind.
In other words, it’s tweaked until one finds the sweet spots lurking inside the Hang Man.
Do an HM-2 search on you tube and you’ll see the difference between those who have learned the hidden tricks of the HM-2, and those who still need some schooling. You’ll hear some of the thickest most brutal sounds a pedal can produce, but you’ll also hear some of the worst “bee trapped in a jar” tones that would make anyone cringe.
Then why recreate a pedal that isn’t instantly awesome to the average user? Because I love it when a seemingly simple pedal makes you get out a shovel and dig for the gold nuggets inside. These are the things no modeler can reproduce. However, the “D” in our HM-2D is there for a reason. It stands for “Deluxe” because of a few tweaks applied to the circuit to make the pedal even more fun.
There is a vintage/modern switch that lets you to reconfigure the clipping diodes allowing you bounce between “stock” at one setting, and a less compressed more overdrive-meets-distortion sound as well as a boost to the output level."
I appreciate this mindset and explanation but he loses me at $250.

Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:00 am
by D-Day
Well IC's and transistors aren't going to sand themselves. Production costs be addin' up!
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:37 am
by backwardsvoyager
Man, looking at that gutshot $250 sounds fair enough, a lot of way simpler circuits go for around that price anyway.
It's just a shame that it happens to be so much more expensive than the originals.
I'm sure some people will still buy them, if they remade an old boss pedal I liked with improvements I'd sure be interested. (booteek FZ-2?

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Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:56 am
by Schlatte
I would buy the Box of War for 250$ if I wanted one, because the enclosure is custom made, there is a lot of work in there and the pedal is just all around cool and rare and stuff.
On this.... the enclosure looks like it is a normal Hammond (or similar) enclosure, that you can buy for 10-20$. Sure you have to drill it (or have it drilled) and put the graphic on it.. but still. Nothing that would make this moar expensive than the Box of War IMO.
backwardsvoyager wrote:Man, looking at that gutshot $250 sounds fair enough, a lot of way simpler circuits go for around that price anyway.
Of course this is a more complex dirt circuit. It requires a quite a few more parts than other circuits out there. But again... transistors, op amps and maybe the diodes are the more expensive parts.
The circuit board is still a single layer board. And the board itself is maybe FR-4... But the production costs of the board itself are not higher, because the circuit is more complicated.
The only thing that gets more expensive is the labor itself. Because there are more parts to solder than with a simpler circuit.
That said, I still don't get the high price tag. Taking the Box of War as a reference again... Let's just assume all the parts and components used (like pots, jacks, switches, ...) are the same high quality parts in both pedals. On the box of war the enclosure is custom designed, custom made and it has artwork (graphics) on it.
On the Hangman you have a normal enclosure. You just have to drill it and put the graphic on it.
Don't get me wrong here.. I'm not trying to trash talk W&C or the pedal or something like that... I actually like them!
I just think they're selling some sort of "Klon-like" pedal here... High priced, boutique, a very "special" kind of pedal... only a few people will buy (again IMO).

Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:51 am
by Tendollarcat
Funnily enough, I posted the link to see if there was something I'm missing in the relevance of the pedal. I agree with most of you, a semi-loathed boss reissue for $250 seems pretty rich. I like Matt and I remember buying a Pickle Pie B and Phat Phuk from him and really dug his designs, approach and pricing - not to mention the fact he is really genuine and cool to his customers. In the last couple of years he's definitely gone more boutique, and as some of those prices increased, I just assumed it was build complexity or part costs. It seems to be a weird release - but then again he is a guy who seems to build what he is passionate about. I can respect that I guess - even if I really don't dig this one. For his sake, I hope a bunch of TGP'ers get a klonrection over it and buy a bunch.
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:35 am
by Genghis Kanye
You guys yakkin' away about a hairy metal thingy just shut up and buy a Mercy Phuk.
Sheesh.
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:27 am
by insubordination
I would be curious how this stacks up the Enormous Door Left Hand Path.
http://ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=35910
There were only 100 of those made and they sold out at $250 a pop, so I guess some people are willing to pay that. I'd be down to try either, but I can't afford that.
Wasn't Nick @ Dunwich working on something along these lines?
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:29 am
by insubordination
Genghis Kanye wrote:You guys yakkin' away about a hairy metal thingy just shut up and buy a Mercy Phuk.
Sheesh.
Literally one of the worst sounding pedals I've ever played. I was surprised, since I generally like W&C stuff.
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:05 pm
by Holy Schnikes
insubordination wrote:I would be curious how this stacks up the Enormous Door Left Hand Path.
http://ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=35910
There were only 100 of those made and they sold out at $250 a pop, so I guess some people are willing to pay that. I'd be down to try either, but I can't afford that.
Wasn't Nick @ Dunwich working on something along these lines?
Nick was def working on one awhile back, not sure what the current status is...
Re: New Wren and Cuff pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:53 pm
by Chankgeez
insubordination wrote:Genghis Kanye wrote:You guys yakkin' away about a hairy metal thingy just shut up and buy a Mercy Phuk.
Sheesh.
Literally one of the worst sounding pedals I've ever played. I was surprised, since I generally like W&C stuff.
Really? I think it sounds pretty good.
This is turning into a real Wren & Cuff hate fest.