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wsas3 wrote:I know that they wouldn't just lock him up without investigating it

I guess we have very very different views of how police generally act.

In my experience, the police aren't interested in truth, justice or doing the right thing. They want arrests, the seedier and more horrific the charge, the better. Regardless of the truth.

wsas3 wrote:YOU'RE the sickness of the world.

You might be right. But what do you know? Nothing as far as im concerned. Im not out to save the world. Only my friends and family and most of all, myself.

I was only giving my opinion on the matter. I think Psyre needed a differing opinion. No need to start insulting anybody.

bigchiefbc wrote:In my experience, the police aren't interested in truth, justice or doing the right thing. They want arrests, the seedier and more horrific the charge, the better. Regardless of the truth.

I agree.

Do they want arrests or convictions. I'd assume the GM has authority to pull all evidence. Ts only real option would be to go vigilante or anonymous tip. Which is not realistic of course.

Were you ever required to sign a nondisclosure agreement upon being hired?

I overhear a lot of people's personal conversations at my job and I'm not allowed to say anything about it. That said I've never encountered anything dangerous to someone. Some victimless crimes and some sexually explicit content between consenting adults. But my calls are practically anonymous and even if I wanted to do something about it the computer system deletes all caller specific information automatically.

That said I'm surprised this policy wasn't made clear to you or your managers.

bigchiefbc wrote:I don't know man. The problem with calling the police is that they're definitely gonna go arrest the guy, whether he has anything to do with it or not. Police don't reserve judgment and dispassionately review the evidence before acting. They immediately act, regardless of evidence, every time. All cops do this, especially with an abuse or child porn charge. And once someone is charged with child porn or child abuse, our society pretty much considers him guilty no matter what.

So maybe he's an abusive fuck. Or maybe he's not. At the very least, he's gonna be out tens of thousands of dollars of legal bills. Either way, he's gonna be bankrupt and his life is completely ruined. So you could be saving a girl from horrific abuse, or you could be potentially ruining a completely innocent person's life.

I don't think I'd call the police unless I saw proof her dad was involved in the pictures.

Im going with this man. Please be sure before you notify the police that this isnt just the type of shit some teenagers get up to these days. Please take the time to make sure there is genuine evidence of abuse in these pics. I used to know girls in highschool that would take pictures of cutting themselves. I also used to know girls in highschool that didnt shy away from the webcam.

Big chief is absolutely right here. When it comes to the subject of teenagers and implied sexual abuse the police will not give two shits what context those photos were taken in. Its on the dudes computer, its his, he gets charged. End of story. If you call the cops, the rest of this guys life will be fucked, regardless of whether or not he took the pictures.

I just would caution you to take some time and think about the pictures you saw, was there definite abuse? Was the girl definitely underage?

If you reflect on this and you still think that the answer to these questions is yes, then I 100% agree that you should go to the cops. Whistleblow like a motherfucker. Staples cant take action against you in any way, and honestly, if it has policies that keep employees quiet if they discover evidence of the sexual abuse of a minor, or anyone for that matter, that is 100% FUCKED.

Company policy or not, if staples is protecting sexual predators something needs to be done.

i hear Chiefy, but most cops my brother deals with on a regular basis (he's a bouncer at some bars in Oakland), he thinks are guys trying to do the right thing. i tend to HOPE most police became police because they wanted to help people. if they stay that way after dealing with our fucked up legal system for a long time..... but i do agree that a cop's usual attitude is "arrest people, let the judges sort it out" more than it should be.

that's a tough one Psyre. my first reaction was call the cops too. but again, Chiefy makes a good point. if the dad has no idea about the pictures he could get FUCKED. pedo charges.... don't matter if they stick or not. and legal fees are STEEP. i wouldn't worry about how big the guy is, there's no way you should be talking to him about it. if you do anything, i'd call the police, explain it, ask what can be done to protect the grrL.

ugh. if it was me, i'd probably call the cops though.

Jamsy's right too though.... you should be able to tell if it's a grrL taking naughty pics of herself or something going on. is she getting fucked in them? is it her alone?

guh. pedo stuff is so nasty.

Brutal. I don't know what to say other than trust your gut.

If these are pornographic pics of an underage person and transferred to the Dad's computer, the manager should speak to him and let him know. He'll be shocked (innocent) or scared (guilty). If a manager isn't going to do this, you are kinda fucked. If it seems like the girl is taking them herself that's one thing but if there's a folder called "daddy" then I don't know WTF. He's either dumb and doesn't know that this process can fuck him or he's in for a nasty surprise. Did the guy give you the creeps?

i hope that if you actually have the chance to save somebody from that...to let them know that theres someone out there that gave a shit enough to put a stop to it, youll take that chance. Im not trying to shame you or guilt you but dude this is as srs business as it gets, if you have a chance to save somebody then FUCK YOUR JOB, especially if its working for the kind of people that put profit above keeping children from being raped and molested.

I mean yeah theres definitely a chance that this could be innocent, but if your heart tells you its fucked then its fucked bro. Go to the cops. Fuck that job, fuck your manager, fuck your gm, fuck his gm, fuck the president, vice presedent, ceo, cfo, whoever tells you not to report something you know to be sexual abuse of a child is fucking EVIL and SUBHUMAN.

In a way it is hard to believe that any company that is that high profile could have a stance like that because something like this AND if not doing anything IS company policy it could end up in really bad press, they are "suppose" to be one of those "family friendly" businesses. Maybe all this time we've had the wrong idea of the term..
Thing is IF this happened at work on the company's computer then it isn't just a personal matter, this person is involving everyone that works in that building in some way in this.

My co worker began the transfer and while transferring the pictures noticed some extremely explicit pictures of the man's daughter, no older than 15.

The age is an indisputable fact? That's the first thing that jumps out--where's the evidence for the age?

now there is no proof that it is the father who is responsible, other than the folder being called "daddy".

While that's undeniably creepy (like super fucking I'M NEVER GOING TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH YOU IF I CAN HELP IT SIR creepy), the fact is that this dude is going to get arrested if she is in fact a minor. And charged with some very damning shit. That's a pretty heavy thing to drop on someone.

But, in your heart of hearts, if you think this is 100% proper fucked, then you gotta blow the whistle.

I don't know what you should do, but are you aware that Staples has an ethics hotline? At least I think they do.

Their Code of Ethics [PDF] links to a site called Staples EthicsLink. According to their FAQ [PDF], as soon as you file a report, a standardized, documented process is started.

If your interest is to cover your ass, that could do it.

Mike

TS, you should talk to HR and check out your employee confidentiality agreement (if such thing exists).

I did a little research and found...
http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/programs ... acy_policy

Under "How we use the information we collect"

Comply with applicable law, legal procedures, requirements, regulations and statutes

I'm not a lawyer and (to the best of my knowledge) none of the rest of ILF are, but you might want to talk to one if you really think there is something incriminating here. At least talk to HR, anonymously if you have to.

But SERIOUSLY, DID YOU SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU WERE HIRED??? BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE.

TALK TO HR THEN (IF YOU'RE APPROPRIATE) TALK TO A LAWYER, THEN DETECTIVE.

(legit disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and have no real legal training besides a minor in political science)

It is surprising that none of the management really knew what to do, had no standard policy because this situation has to have been thought of occurring with the service offered by Staples.
I am in agreement with the general consensus here, If you absolutely believe that the girl is underage and being harmed, involve the police. Moral duty isn't a term that I throw around too much but sometimes it does apply.

I personally know of an instance where the police were involved with a Staples employee finding child pornography on a computer they were working on. I don't know if it was an individual employee's initiative or a policy that lead to the incident being reported, but it seems crazy to me that there wouldn't be a policy for this kind of thing.

http://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.co.nz/2013/0 ... dment.html

This seems pretty recent. In this case the manager contacted corporate AND law enforcement, and the conviction held up against appeals because they ruled the customer didn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. (similar situation, tech just saw thumbnails).