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Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:43 am
by THEBEERHAMMER
Andrew wrote:
You know why...
Also, to everyone actually wanting a Deb-ster relationship, seriously, why? It's just creepy fan service and as of right now, would make
absolutely zero sense to the story.
Uuuuuuh...how exactly does it not make sense in terms of the story? Theyre the only constant in each others lives. Deb is nothing without Dexter...her whole life she has assumed every aspect of humanity that dexter is lacking. Its like they are two sides of a coin. I think at this point the only chance for a "normal" outcome is them getting together. It being creepy i dont think really factors in as this is a story about a serial killer. I think this episode did a brilliant job reminding everyone that wants dexter to be "good" and have a normal life that he isnt a person, hes a psychopath. He is defined by the act of ending others lives. The only reason he follows a "moral" guideline is because he adheres to a survival system harry laid out. He doesnt actually give a fuck whether or not the people he kills are "bad"...in fact, the few moments of empathy he has displayed in the series are when he has someone on his table. He didnt give a fuck about Laguerta and was willing to kill her to protect himself. Its why i like the show in the first place. It investigates why as a western culture we feel the need to invest everything with this base set of moral principles. Every story has to be about some form of good overcoming bad. Were so obsessed with the outcome that we forget the journey. The only aspect of humanity present in dexter is personified in deb (and to a lesser extent harrison, but we still have no idea how harrison will turn out). I think this entire series is going to be about whether he regains that or completely gives in to what he is. ...Although I think with Vogel they may be setting up a counterpoint to harry...a maternal figure that dexter has never had...or she could just be a rehashed miguel prado.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:56 pm
by Andrew
THEBEERHAMMER wrote:Andrew wrote:You know why...
Also, to everyone actually wanting a Deb-ster relationship, seriously, why? It's just creepy fan service and as of right now, would make
absolutely zero sense to the story.
Uuuuuuh...how exactly does it not make sense in terms of the story? Theyre the only constant in each others lives. Deb is nothing without Dexter...her whole life she has assumed every aspect of humanity that dexter is lacking. Its like they are two sides of a coin. I think at this point the only chance for a "normal" outcome is them getting together. It being creepy i dont think really factors in as this is a story about a serial killer. I think this episode did a brilliant job reminding everyone that wants dexter to be "good" and have a normal life that he isnt a person, hes a psychopath. He is defined by the act of ending others lives. The only reason he follows a "moral" guideline is because he adheres to a survival system harry laid out. He doesnt actually give a fuck whether or not the people he kills are "bad"...in fact, the few moments of empathy he has displayed in the series are when he has someone on his table. He didnt give a fuck about Laguerta and was willing to kill her to protect himself. Its why i like the show in the first place. It investigates why as a western culture we feel the need to invest everything with this base set of moral principles. Every story has to be about some form of good overcoming bad. Were so obsessed with the outcome that we forget the journey. The only aspect of humanity present in dexter is personified in deb (and to a lesser extent harrison, but we still have no idea how harrison will turn out). I think this entire series is going to be about whether he regains that or completely gives in to what he is. ...Although I think with Vogel they may be setting up a counterpoint to harry...a maternal figure that dexter has never had...or she could just be a rehashed miguel prado.
Rewatch the start of season two and see how she deals with being engage to Brian Moser, who was a wanted serial killer who was only using her to get to Dexter. She has had to deal with so much Death and gloom in her life that she is on medication and has ruined her social and dating life.
It would be safe for Deb to assume that both Dexter and Brian were both playing each other off with their kills. Deb has been lied to, manipulated, subjected to danger by Dexter, has had to destroy evidence, murder, retreat from her life. Dexter has sacrificed his family, friends, his own 'normal cover' purely for his selfish and evil needs.
Dexter is a terrible person, this episode was clearly emphasising this point and was to show how far gone he really is. He has developed more and more Human emotions except he cannot deal with Empathy and Frustration, why he is pushing so hard for Debra to come back when she clearly can't deal with it and he can't see why. She has clearly mentioned that everything in her life has come back to him and how much better she would be without him. With any degree of realism this wouldn't work on any level and it just comes back to creepy fan service for the sake of it.
Yes, they have both have been good to each other (previously) and that is exactly the problem, on any degree of realism could you throw down your guns and accept that your mass murdering, manipulating, brother would be an ideal partner. She didn't fall in love with Dexters dark passenger but his cover and everything that she loved is gone.
The closest parallel is Booker Dewitt from Bioshock Infinate. Slight spoilers.
He is a despicable lead character who has committed atrocities, though simplybecause he is the main character the audience will have a different, sympathetic opinion of him. In the end, he is the same person and would do the same things to satisfy is own selfish ways. There isn't any character development and they will do the same things again given the opportunity.
Dexter is a great character study show, while the storyline isn't quite as good.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:04 pm
by D.o.S.
Saw the first episode.
Awful. Going to assume that this is their loose ends/tie everything up as fast as possible season.
Also, the homies and I have a drinking game for this show. Drink every time Dexter goes into an inner monologue. YAY EXPOSITION!
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:09 pm
by THEBEERHAMMER
That episode was fucking good.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:39 am
by Andrew
It was.
I was always thinking that she would just betray Dexter almost like Laguerta did at the finale of S7. It would be too obvious. I'm going to let this one marinade a little longer before I analyze it.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:07 am
by Greenfuz
I think dexter might get some crazy milf action
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:29 pm
by Gone Fission
Episode 2 based speculation-y stuff:
I don't trust Vogel, the neuro-psychiatrist, one bit. I'm guessing she's a psychopath herself, given her admiration for the type, and she's trying to use Dexter to clean up her own toybox of human experiments. And she's going to set him up in the end.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:01 am
by D.o.S.
at some point deb is going to have to give eddie vedder back his clothes.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:23 pm
by THEBEERHAMMER
D.o.S. wrote:at some point deb is going to have to give eddie vedder back his clothes.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:06 am
by D.o.S.
Woooh,... ahhh yeaaaah.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:54 am
by DarkAxel
It bugs me how they kill/get rid of the pretty ladies and have the fugly Deb around for 7 seasons
can't wait, gonna watch both episodes tomorrow... really hope they're not going to spoil the fact Deb has started to be a decent character for me during the last season...
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:16 pm
by space6oy
Gone Fission wrote:Episode 2 based speculation-y stuff:
I don't trust Vogel, the neuro-psychiatrist, one bit. I'm guessing she's a psychopath herself, given her admiration for the type, and she's trying to use Dexter to clean up her own toybox of human experiments. And she's going to set him up in the end.
mine:
agreed on vogel. my prediction's that she became obsessed with what she helped daddy turn dexter into and went psycho too. the brains aren't being left on her doorstep, she's takin' 'em. my bet's they're going to end it with dex having to sacrifice himself to off her & save deb and then she'll become ok again because of having to take care of the kid.
i also think deb's effin' hot.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:42 pm
by D.o.S.
Y'all have like two more episodes before they will have run out of time to introduce the killer, so if the reveal hasn't happened by then it'll be one of the minor characters.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:02 am
by Eric!
My two biggest complaints:
um...where the hell did Deb get a gun?
Um...who just walks away from an interrogation about a murder? They went out the alley door and then just stormed off into the street.
General thoughts:
This episode was lame. It's like they're not even trying to make a GOOD last season. but the. twists in the end usually pull through. WE'LL SEE.
Re: DEXTER TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:27 pm
by Gone Fission
The characters have always outstripped the script on Dexter. I've learned to let that ride long ago. Some seasons have definitely been better than others, but even the best aren't the best in TV drama writing.
Still, maybe that doesn't give enough credit to Dexter for building themes better than it builds plot.