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As I feel about many religious practices, at some time this may've served a useful purpose, but that was probably a long long time ago.

Chankgeez wrote:As I feel about many religious practices, at some time this may've served a useful purpose, but that was probably a long long time ago.

Yes. The reasons people who keep Kosher don't mix meat and milk is because the original commandment said not to cook a calf in it's mother's milk. So on the off chance that the burger you're eating has cheese made from that cow's mom.

something about hot dogs.

Tom Dalton wrote:something about hot dogs.

I like 'em when they pop.

the whole thing is creepy child abuse, they can dress up in religious garb all they like, chant some old nonsense and talk about 'tradition', but they are chopping the end off of a baby boys penis, and then sucking it ....

think about that again - chopping the end off of a baby boys penis and then sucking it - for fuck's sake!

The4455 wrote:Some of the ways things were done in the past, should be left in the past.

I wish more people understood this.
Children don't deserve to be modified when they're too young to consent to it. If there ever was any benefit, there isn't anymore.

backwardsvoyager wrote:

The4455 wrote:Some of the ways things were done in the past, should be left in the past.

I wish more people understood this.
Children don't deserve to be mutilated when they're too young to consent to it. If there ever was any benefit, there isn't anymore.

I don't consider my penis as being mutilated, and fuck you for saying that it is.

See? This is why I wanted us to drop this.

Doctor X wrote:the whole thing is creepy child abuse, they can dress up in religious garb all they like, chant some old nonsense and talk about 'tradition', but they are chopping the end off of a baby boys penis, and then sucking it ....

think about that again - chopping the end off of a baby boys penis and then sucking it - for fuck's sake!

Cutting off a piece of extruding skin != cutting off the end of the penis.

You're making it sound like they're chopping the head off.

Exaggeration for inflammatory purposes always weakens arguments

@bigchiefbc
I realise now that was an insensitive way of putting it, I'm sorry if what I said offended you, completely unintentional.
I was more so referring to the virus rather than the actual 'chop'.

It just makes me sad and bitter, thinking of how horrible those children's lives could end up being. And even after everything the parents still withheld the identities of the people responsible? I don't understand.

backwardsvoyager wrote:@bigchiefbc
I realise now that was an insensitive way of putting it, I'm sorry if what I said offended you, completely unintentional.
I was more so referring to the virus rather than the actual 'chop'.

It just makes me sad and bitter, thinking of how horrible those children's lives could end up being. And even after everything the parents still withheld the identities of the people responsible? I don't understand.

Understood, and what happened in that article is horrific, and it's an extremely unsanitary and disgusting way of performing a circumcision. And the fact that the parents go along with it makes me have no sympathy for them. I feel sorry for those kids.

But what the uncut avengers never seem to realize when they break out the "mutilation" angle is what the seems to imply about people who are already circumcised. The great majority of us don't feel mutilated and do not feel like victims, and its quite patronizing, to boot. Even if that's not your intention, that's how it feels to me.

bigchiefbc wrote:Understood, and what happened in that article is horrific, and it's an extremely unsanitary and disgusting way of performing a circumcision. And the fact that the parents go along with it makes me have no sympathy for them. I feel sorry for those kids.

But what the uncut avengers never seem to realize when they break out the "mutilation" angle is what the seems to imply about people who are already circumcised. The great majority of us don't feel mutilated and do not feel like victims, and its quite patronizing, to boot. Even if that's not your intention, that's how it feels to me.

Mutilation is a strong word, and is definitely only applicable in situations such as that in the article.
It is definitely the majority who are comfortable with it, as you say. There are people who do feel like victims, though, even if that is a very small number, and I just think it's unfair that they were never given a choice.
It's not a life-or-death issue normally, but it is an issue nonetheless. I hope you get where I'm coming from.

backwardsvoyager wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote:Understood, and what happened in that article is horrific, and it's an extremely unsanitary and disgusting way of performing a circumcision. And the fact that the parents go along with it makes me have no sympathy for them. I feel sorry for those kids.

But what the uncut avengers never seem to realize when they break out the "mutilation" angle is what the seems to imply about people who are already circumcised. The great majority of us don't feel mutilated and do not feel like victims, and its quite patronizing, to boot. Even if that's not your intention, that's how it feels to me.

Mutilation is a strong word, and is definitely only applicable in situations such as that in the article.
It is definitely the majority who are comfortable with it, as you say. There are people who do feel like victims, though, even if that is a very small number, and I just think it's unfair that they were never given a choice.
It's not a life-or-death issue normally, but it is an issue nonetheless. I hope you get where I'm coming from.

Yes, agreed on all points. We're good.

Tom Dalton wrote:something about hot dogs.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edward-wasserman/satanic-child-abuse_b_1162854.html


Same sort of thing happening here, some of you satan worshipers need to get this sorted out.

backwardsvoyager wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote:Understood, and what happened in that article is horrific, and it's an extremely unsanitary and disgusting way of performing a circumcision. And the fact that the parents go along with it makes me have no sympathy for them. I feel sorry for those kids.

But what the uncut avengers never seem to realize when they break out the "mutilation" angle is what the seems to imply about people who are already circumcised. The great majority of us don't feel mutilated and do not feel like victims, and its quite patronizing, to boot. Even if that's not your intention, that's how it feels to me.

Mutilation is a strong word, and is definitely only applicable in situations such as that in the article.
It is definitely the majority who are comfortable with it, as you say. There are people who do feel like victims, though, even if that is a very small number, and I just think it's unfair that they were never given a choice.
It's not a life-or-death issue normally, but it is an issue nonetheless. I hope you get where I'm coming from.

No, mutilation is the appropriate term. They are physically altering your body for your entire life. Thats definition mutilation. Big chief as usual is bringing way too much feels into this. Are they cutting your dick up? Yes. Are they sucking it? Yes. Are children dying from it? Yes. Do they have a choice? No. Are the people doing this hiding behind their status as living agents of a magical creator being to avoid legal prosecution? Yes. Are the parents scared that if they dont let old guys mutilate their children then put the mutilated body parts into their mouths, infecting them with viruses that kill them in horrible ways, that they will suffer the wrath of this mystical creator guy? Yes. Noone said big chief is a freak. Big chief is obviously still dealing with his feelings on the subject.