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Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:28 pm
by Mudfuzz
dubkitty wrote:from my perspective as the Old Guy, the marketplace has been pretty homogenized since the late 1980s, when the Eddie Van Halen style of shred guitar came to popularity and the Roland MIDI guitar and Steinberger died a death. ever since then there were generally three options: Fender or Fender-esque, Gibson (by which i really mean Les Pauls) or Gibson-esque, and shredder (which came to include the weirder Gibson shapes like the V and Explorer). i actually think that there are more options now than there were for many years, what with the aluminum-neck makers, FMIC's revitalization of Gretsch and now Guild, the reissuing of rare Epiuphones like the mini-humbucker Wilshire, and the various odd small-builder guitars at reasonable prices e.g. DiPinto.

i don't disagree with the intent of the OP, but try to remember that the A7/Opeth/Mustaine/Kirk/Petrucci/etc. market, as someone said above, essentially subsidizes the interesting parts of the major manufacturer's lines and gives e.g. FMIC the economic space to take the flyer they're current on with the new Guild electrics. people have always followed fashion...look at the number of UK/Continental guitarists in the early 70s who played white Strats in emulation of Hendrix' last tour. it's deliberately driven by the signature models thing now, which i also dislike personally...i wouldn't play a Peter Green LP copy. but i don't mind a sunburst LP, you know? the thing i think is particularly weird is the Paul Gilbert flanger...what's the point of a flanger button that's essentially one guy's party trick?

What I think is weird is that Paul Gilbert is of any interest at all... even in Japan...

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:56 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
I don't mind the sig guitar thing in theory, there are good ones (EC Jazzmaster, some of the squiers are way cool like the j mascis), but when it's just silly when there are loads of 'signature' instruments that are actually pretty much just a strat/shredder guitar. I wouldn't get a sig instrument because of whose it was, but because it was actually a good instrument, and so if they aren't that different from the standard model, or from each other, what's the point? :idk:

It doesn't make me angry or anything because like people have pointed out the market seems to be more full of good cheap instruments than ever, and that's priority #1 in my eyes, especially for kids getting into the guitar. These things existing doesn't stop cool stuff from being around, they're different markets.


I still think those shreddy/djent music and guitars are super dumb though. Ew.

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:03 pm
by Mudfuzz
monkeydancer wrote:I don't mind the sig guitar thing in theory, there are good ones (EC Jazzmaster, some of the squiers are way cool like the j mascis), but when it's just silly when there are loads of 'signature' instruments that are actually pretty much just a strat/shredder guitar. I wouldn't get a sig instrument because of whose it was, but because it was actually a good instrument, and so if they aren't that different from the standard model, or from each other, what's the point? :idk:

It doesn't make me angry or anything because like people have pointed out the market seems to be more full of good cheap instruments than ever, and that's priority #1 in my eyes, especially for kids getting into the guitar. These things existing doesn't stop cool stuff from being around, they're different markets.


I still think those shreddy/djent music and guitars are super dumb though. Ew.

It's all about point of view I guess.. to me the J Mascis is just as silly as the metalz guitars. It's one thing if it is a instrument that isn't a variant of a "normal" model like the Ibanez 8 strings or something but Jazzmasters have been around since the 50's... I see no difference between the Mascis and a Slash Epi LP... :idk:

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:24 pm
by Gearmond
the difference is that J Mascis is "one of us" :B

and i dunno, i've been in sam ash long enough to notice that most folks always seem to go hella-cheap-guitar to midrange guitar for their second one. we might be kinda sheltered with having relatively good taste in general (though arguably we're just as closeminded about guitars what with the obsessive love of jags and jazzies, but thats another thing entirely) but i feel for all the talk about the variety of products available kinda ignores what gets sold, and i feel like what gets sold is what i've been complaining about.

on the bright side you could prolly argue that wider variety of product = wider variety of music played, but thats yet to be seen.

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:21 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
Mudfuzz wrote:
monkeydancer wrote:I don't mind the sig guitar thing in theory, there are good ones (EC Jazzmaster, some of the squiers are way cool like the j mascis), but when it's just silly when there are loads of 'signature' instruments that are actually pretty much just a strat/shredder guitar. I wouldn't get a sig instrument because of whose it was, but because it was actually a good instrument, and so if they aren't that different from the standard model, or from each other, what's the point? :idk:

It doesn't make me angry or anything because like people have pointed out the market seems to be more full of good cheap instruments than ever, and that's priority #1 in my eyes, especially for kids getting into the guitar. These things existing doesn't stop cool stuff from being around, they're different markets.


I still think those shreddy/djent music and guitars are super dumb though. Ew.

It's all about point of view I guess.. to me the J Mascis is just as silly as the metalz guitars. It's one thing if it is a instrument that isn't a variant of a "normal" model like the Ibanez 8 strings or something but Jazzmasters have been around since the 50's... I see no difference between the Mascis and a Slash Epi LP... :idk:

The only thing that sets the mascis apart is the awesome non-standard colour scheme afaik. I wasn't saying the 'good' sigs were necessarily that different from the base models, they're just guitars that I happen to like. :lol: For me the fact that they're 'signature' models is a turn-off, just there are some that happen to be cool enough to override that. ALTHOUGH I doubt I'd ever buy one unless it was actually unique in some way, because with the j mascis as an example it's probably easy enough to get a white jazzy and a sweet pickguard separately.

So yeah in conclusion sig guitars are silly. I guess they sell though.

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:28 pm
by Doctor X
i confess that i had to look up what 'djent' is .....

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:17 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
Doctor X wrote:i confess that i had to look up what 'djent' is .....

Not gonna lie I still don't really know. It's some sort of metal that involves pointy guitars and Axe-FX rigs, right? It always amuses me how many names for metal subgenres there are.

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:45 pm
by Gearmond
honestly djent is literally just melodic death metal that doesn't want to call itself that anymore.

idk i guess you could say theres more variation in terms of minor/major and atmosphere but at its core, its p much that plus vague meshuggah copping

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:01 pm
by rustywire
Consumers are fickle at best and dumb at worst. Their money is the same.
Advertisers are fast-talking carnival barkers looking to part said consumers from said money...
...who seek to marketize everything through tidy demographic designations. They will say/do whatever it takes.

It's like politics. Politics has never been about selling ideas, it's about tailoring a message to appeal to what *individual* people already believe; giving [them] validation...and indoctrinating them to an agenda. "If you want to shred like _ then you need _" = "I have the answers to your problems, just follow me"

The prize is market share [read: power and influence].
Divide & conquer; keeps the people competing with each other while buying into doctrine that creates fortunes for the stringpullers and status quo...who are free to then continue calling the shots and shaping the landscape.

:wha?:
Don't believe the hype. The results are boring and tedious when everyone tries to sound the same.

Familiar with the term "poser" or "poseur?"

Just go with what you like or even better... what sounds good, to you. :snax:

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:58 pm
by John Matrix
Djent blows...

aight, I'm out.

Re: Gettin Bummed about Capitalism in Homogenized markets

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:43 pm
by AlexanderWOLF
The only good Djent album is After the Burial - Rareform