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I have a love hate relationship with Tool. Undertow and Aenima have some of the best songs I've heard, regardless of band or genre, but the albums themselves have enough flat spots to shit me - it's like the flat spots are made glaringly obvious by the goodness of the rest of the stuff. Lateralus is pure gold in my opinion though. The drumming and the drum tone... mmmm... that's a desert island album for me.
10 000 days was back to the flat spots.



I fucking love the second APC album, with the exception of that song about nurses. Delete that and you have a perfect album.

Pusifier can bite my ass. Then again, I don't actually think Maynard cares.

bigchiefbc wrote:

DarkAxel wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote::lol: wow that one hit a little too close to home for me. Every time I see something about Puscifer or APC playing a show or releasing something, I get really pissed. Enough with the fucking side projects already ...

but...

but...

but APC and Puscifer are both amazing

but yeah, i know... i've been waiting for a new record for too many years now LET'S HOPE FOR THIS YEAR

yes, i'm one of the people who like Tool

APC I'll give you, some of their shit was really good. Puscifer ... meh. Maybe I just don't "get it".

I'm always tried really hard NOT to be one of those Tool fans, and I think I succeed most of the time.

i fucking WORSHIP APC the band just gets to me

in Puscifer, i really dig that it's something DIFFERENT for me. It's like a fresh wind on the sea of the other music i listen to... i like it very much, but for some people, it might just be too different or alternative - not trying to be condescending or anything

but i don't know anyone else who'd listen to Puscifer so maybe i'm just weird

goroth wrote:I fucking love the second APC album, with the exception of that song about nurses. Delete that and you have a perfect album.

that's why i hate them. first album was good, second was shit, and that is a fucking hideously pathetic cover of a fucking amazing song.

sorry to divert, rant on...

I love Tool too! I used to be like Hitler. (at least in the sense of that video lol) but not so much anymore.
MayJay, as hitler put it, is ok but I can't get enough of dat Adam Jones! He can do all that crazy noisy metal/post rock whatever it is with just whatever distortion he uses + flanger + delay and maybe like a slide or something. But even just that same fuzz/dist tone he uses in like every song is good enough for me.
And goroth is totes on the money! Thirteenth Step is one of my favorite cd's! It's so good. FTW
But all this is weird because Tool is nothing like what I usually listen to. They are about as metal as i get.

goroth wrote:I have a love hate relationship with Tool. Undertow and Aenima have some of the best songs I've heard, regardless of band or genre, but the albums themselves have enough flat spots to shit me - it's like the flat spots are made glaringly obvious by the goodness of the rest of the stuff. Lateralus is pure gold in my opinion though. The drumming and the drum tone... mmmm... that's a desert island album for me.
10 000 days was back to the flat spots.

I completely agree with all of this. I want more GOOD tool albums, so make as many puscifier albums as you want and get it out of your system...then come back and give us the tool album we deserve

goroth wrote:I have a love hate relationship with Tool. Undertow and Aenima have some of the best songs I've heard, regardless of band or genre, but the albums themselves have enough flat spots to shit me - it's like the flat spots are made glaringly obvious by the goodness of the rest of the stuff. Lateralus is pure gold in my opinion though. The drumming and the drum tone... mmmm... that's a desert island album for me.
10 000 days was back to the flat spots.



I fucking love the second APC album, with the exception of that song about nurses. Delete that and you have a perfect album.

Pusifier can bite my ass. Then again, I don't actually think Maynard cares.

Oh No you didn't just talk shit about Failure...

APC ruined that song. APC was okay first album when Troy was still in the band and they could genuinely cope Failure's sound. But they'll always be a failure rip-off with tool trappings.

Tool. Meh. Self indulgent drumming and prog for people with low self esteem everything else. (not fans with low self esteem mind you, but it's prog pretending not to be emotionless)

Never heard any of the other groups. I just kinda stayed away from that after APC helped kill a song off what could be one of the most perfect albums of the 90s

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU2ZtoHmRZs[/youtube] It's supposed to BUILD

and here's pretty much the song used as the template for APC's first album.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO3eeyLQ164[/youtube]

GOD, I hate APC.

space6oy wrote:

goroth wrote:I fucking love the second APC album, with the exception of that song about nurses. Delete that and you have a perfect album.

that's why i hate them. first album was good, second was shit, and that is a fucking hideously pathetic cover of a fucking amazing song.

sorry to divert, rant on...

You didn't rant... I ranted :P

Puscifer is amazing. I LOVE there new album. Hater gonna hate.

zRobertez wrote:! He can do all that crazy noisy metal/post rock whatever it is with just whatever distortion he uses + flanger + delay

MXR Micro-Amp and really expensive amplifiers.

jwar wrote:Puscifer is amazing. I LOVE there new album. Hater gonna hate.

never listened. What's a good album to start with? Or EP, I guess. Just looked up dat wikipedia

GardenoftheDead wrote:

zRobertez wrote:! He can do all that crazy noisy metal/post rock whatever it is with just whatever distortion he uses + flanger + delay

MXR Micro-Amp and really expensive amplifiers.

sounds about right lol

Who?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWRDZwV8jGE[/youtube]

This is the offending song.

jwar wrote:Puscifer is amazing. I LOVE there new album. Hater gonna hate.

They're fun live but they're not Tool. They're not even APC.

jwar wrote:Puscifer is amazing. I LOVE there new album. Hater gonna hate.

thanks, bro i needed to not feel abandoned here

GardenoftheDead wrote:

jwar wrote:Puscifer is amazing. I LOVE there new album. Hater gonna hate.

They're fun live but they're not Tool. They're not even APC.

isn't that the basic idea?


i'm not gonna start a flamewar about APC... i'm not....
i'm just gonna say i don't really see the Failure connection (yes, i listen to Fantastic Planet at times)

Each band represents different outlets. Tool started out as pissed off at the world type music that gradually found its way to a more metaphysical and peaceful vibe. APC was more focused on real world issues; addiction as viewed from different prespectives. At some point in time Maybard emerged from a healing process and Puscifer is the celebration of that. I can dig what all the projects bring to the table.

I've been listening to APC pretty heavily and learning the guitar parts. Billy Howerdale is turning into a surprise influence for me (since I'm a bassist who is only recently taken up the guitar in a more serious fashion). Not too flashy, nice and melodic simple and graceful guitar work.


I've actually never seen APC or Tool live, but I have seen Puscifer. The Puscifer live show blew me away. It was bad ass. Got to booty shake with my wife then pound it when we got back to the hotel. If you want an album to listen too off the get go; V is for Vagina is where I'd go.

APC has really only recently taken on Puscifer personel and vice versa. McJunkins taking thr place of Paz and Twiggy, Friedl taking the place of Freese. I think Billy may be involved with Puscifer and thats it. I do think Josh Freese is a big portion of why I like APC and his departure hurts that group IMO. Whatever, they can do whatever they want and as long as the music is quality; I'm not gonna quibble over semantics. APC and Puscifer have always been revolving doors as far as the players go.

Tool albums are notoriously painstaking and exhausting for the band to make, so it's no surprise that its taking a while, or stagnating. The thought that the band doesn't care about us doesn't really resonate with me. Who am I to demand that a record be released to appease me. Who am I to get frustrated with the lack of said release? I'm a fan, but I'll save my criticisms for my own music.