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no, sunburst isn't cool

even though it looks the best on offsets, still... no

i think fender know their market quite well, hence the absence of a standard american jag or jazz in their lineup.

Blooze lawyers don't surf, like Charlie?



Or I guess I should say, blooze lawyers don't shoegaze.

Remember, the majority of Fender's market share is all people who want to cop SRV or Jimi or someone else's tone with a replica of some instrument. Or a cheap Mexican or Korean knock-off of said instrument.

mathias wrote:Remember, the majority of Fender's market share is all people who want to cop SRV or Jimi or someone else's tone with a replica of some instrument. Or a cheap Mexican or Korean knock-off of said instrument.

i don't agree--i think the enduring popularity of strats and teles is related to their relative simplicity and design elements, like bridges that don't involve strings popping out of saddles and adjustment screws falling out and simple switch and tone controls that don't get knocked out of whack when you strum. most people don't want to fuss with paying $165 for a replacement bridge and putting duct tape over switches and controls.

also, the sound of offset Fender guitars is--forgive me--somewhat limited in terms of applicability to multiple genres. you can play just about any kind of electric guitar music on a Tele or a Strat; that's not as true of a Jaguar or a Jazzmaster, which would be ill-placed in a metal or country band. but i think the complexity is a major factor. i STILL don't understand what all those switches do.

dubkitty wrote:also, the sound of offset Fender guitars is--forgive me--somewhat limited in terms of applicability to multiple genres. you can play just about any kind of electric guitar music on a Tele or a Strat; that's not as true of a Jaguar or a Jazzmaster, which would be ill-placed in a metal or country band. but i think the complexity is a major factor. i STILL don't understand what all those switches do.

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i didn't mean what i said as absolute, and sure, James Burton can sound like JB on anything. but i think that the average player finds it simpler to find the typical sounds on, erm, a more typical guitar.

cheesecats wrote: i don't agree--i think the enduring popularity of strats and teles is related to their relative simplicity and design elements, like bridges that don't involve strings popping out of saddles and adjustment screws falling out and simple switch and tone controls that don't get knocked out of whack when you strum. most people don't want to fuss with paying $165 for a replacement bridge and putting duct tape over switches and controls.

honestly, when I started playing guitars, I had no idea about any of those attributes. and I'm guessing -- since most guitar players, ahem, not those here, seem to be at that same maturity level and learn that much about gear -- that the majority of adults buying electric guitars don't know that either. What I knew was that my epiphone les paul special II, despite really being a cheap plank of plywood with a terrible neck, somewhat resembled the guitar I'd seen Jimmy Page playing in Led Zeppelin in shape. And when I got a strat, I had no idea that I was getting a terrible hair metal Floyd Rose strat because I just assumed it was exactly like the guitar that Jimi Hendrix played. Those are the people that buy the majority of Fender and Squier's instruments. And they buy them in the tens (hundreds?) of thousands.

Lesser, fanboy guitars like Jazzmasters are not bought in nearly such a volume.

dubkitty wrote:i didn't mean what i said as absolute, and sure, James Burton can sound like JB on anything. but i think that the average player finds it simpler to find the typical sounds on, erm, a more typical guitar.

And I think that typically too many people don't think outside of the box that they put themselves in and produce things that are all too typical

dubkitty wrote:i didn't mean what i said as absolute, and sure, James Burton can sound like JB on anything. but i think that the average player finds it simpler to find the typical sounds on, erm, a more typical guitar.

but still, they need to create super-extra metulz models like the jim root tele/strat or blacktops, because people are fucking retarded and can't even imagine playing anything out of the box on the classic models

i'd say that especially lately, the demand for offsets is growing and there's a chance they'll expand the offer

jimi played a jazzmaster

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DarkAxel wrote:

dubkitty wrote:i didn't mean what i said as absolute, and sure, James Burton can sound like JB on anything. but i think that the average player finds it simpler to find the typical sounds on, erm, a more typical guitar.

but still, they need to create super-extra metulz models like the jim root tele/strat or blacktops, because people are fucking retarded and can't even imagine playing anything out of the box on the classic models

i'd say that especially lately, the demand for offsets is growing and there's a chance they'll expand the offer

counterpoint: while in shape they are different, in materials, the jim root guitars are literally identical to a wide variety of guitars produced by the mainstay companies that make all the BROOTUL guitars

yeah, i meant that they make a tele for brootz so people who don't think can play brootz with a tele get to play one or something that looks like a tele but in features is a pretty much different guitar see my point?

yeah, basically.

shape is secondary to wood and pickup selection. hell, tertiary even

now i wanna make MZ with a tele setup