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Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:30 am
by IEatCats
alexa. wrote:http://www.lichtspur.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63&Itemid=72&lang=en
That blew my mind. I've never had that accurate of a reading before.
I have a ton of weird beliefs. Here some are in bullet form!
- Aliens, and that I've had encounters myself
- Chakras
- Crystal
- Past lives (and in turn, reincarnation and soul mates)
- Loads of conspiracies (Illuminati)
- Personal Energies
- Psychic powers (telepathy, kinesis, astral projection, that type of stuff)
there's a lot of other things, I'm just a bit frazzled right now.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:41 am
by Mudfuzz
Bigfoot is real and a alien and therefore wookies are real.

Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:12 am
by gruizmuller
I am skeptic, but I've seen very weird things: A shaman working, very accurate tarot readings and people that perceives things before they happen.
Once I went myself to see a spanish cards reader and afterwards she worked with candles, baths, and some other things. For some time it seemed to help me with some problems I had, but the most interesting part was talking in the waiting room with some of the people that she helped.
Other time I accompained some guys of a local TV show to a couple of their investigations, on the first we visited a very old place, but there was nothing strange there, on the second we went to their own place of work, the TV cannel, and surprisingly, some things moved in a room that was supposed to be haunted, and the bathroom chilled for no aparent reason, lectures of electromagnetic fields went insane.
I've been told that my grand-grandmother was a seer and helped a lot of people in the little town where she lived.
BUt, ¿Who knows?
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:36 am
by GardenoftheDead
gunslinger_burrito wrote:But, recognizing that humans need some psychological drama, etc.... I'm really more into what this guy had to say:
I like him because he was probably the original troll.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:15 am
by theavondon
I seem to lack belief in anything anymore, whether it be esoteric, or much more real. Though, I don't consider myself an atheist. I don't consider anything.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:03 am
by alexa.
gunslinger_burrito wrote:So this:

Umm,
atoms are really 100% empty space cuz subatomic particles have no volume.
TRIPPY MAN
But also true.
But here's an absolute truth for ya: CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT, BUAHAHAHAHAHAH!
I fucking love how the universe is intertwined and how you can trace back evolution to the big bang itself, and see all those connections.
And I'm into deterministic chaos basically.
But I'm not sure if I should side with Khorne or Tzeentch

Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:36 am
by Derelict78
gunslinger_burrito wrote:Evolution. No intrinsic truths or morals to the universe besides cause and effect. No altruism. The universe, by nature, HAS to be infinite. Think about it. What's outside the solar system? Ok. What's outside the galaxy? Now what? and After that? There can't be a true beginning or end. That wouldn't make any sense. Not that much anything makes sense when looked at through human eyes.
So this:

So you claimed a bunch of absolute truths than than posted that pic?
Things dont have to make sense to be true. just because you cant imagine something does not mean it cant happen.
http://scaleofuniverse.com/
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:36 am
by Derelict78
I believe in one secret and ineffable LORD; and in one Star in the Company of Stars of whose fire we are created, and to which we shall return; and in one Father of Life, Mystery of Mystery, in His name CHAOS, the sole vicegerent of the Sun upon the Earth; and in one Air the nourisher of all that breathes.
And I believe in one Earth, the Mother of us all, and in one Womb wherein all men are begotten, and wherein they shall rest, Mystery of Mystery, in Her name BABALON.
And I believe in the Serpent and the Lion, Mystery of Mystery, in His name BAPHOMET.
And I believe in one Gnostic and Catholic Church of Light, Life, Love and Liberty, the Word of whose Law is THELEMA.
And I believe in the communion of Saints.
And, forasmuch as meat and drink are transmuted in us daily into spiritual substance, I believe in the Miracle of the Mass.
And I confess one Baptism of Wisdom whereby we accomplish the Miracle of Incarnation.
And I confess my life one, individual, and eternal that was, and is, and is to come.
AUMGN. AUMGN. AUMGN.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:39 am
by Big Mon
Great thread! I do lots and lots of leisurely research on demonology,various mythologies,Satanism, Gnosticism,and many other related subjects. As far as my personal,not-the-norm beliefs go, I can only speak from my own experiences. At age 4, I dreamed of my grandfather's liquor store being robbed. 2 years later, it happened. And earlier on the night it happened, I had a strong feeling that I was going to lose a male grandparent. In another instance involving my grandfather, I was at a big band concert (which my gramps promoted when he was alive). A lot of the band conductors, of course, were dead by then. In this case, the band featured was Tommy Dorsey's. I knew at that time, Dorsey was dead, though some of the original players were with this band. Now, my little bladder had all the Ginger Ale it could stand. I leave the festivities for a pee. Having been given the "don't talk to strangers" lecture on many occasions, I made it a point to look in the bathroom. No one was there. So I proceed to use a kid sized urinal, when I heard a noise that I can only describe as cavernous and otherworldly. I naively asked "who's there"? And a voice no less cavernous and otherworldly answered "TOMMY DORSEY"-Fortunately I managed not to get my dingaling in my zipper, as caution took a backseat to getting the fuck out of there.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:55 am
by Big Mon
Very interesting stuff here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Km4j36 ... detailpage Notice the positioning of their hands: The right hand is palm up to receiving the blessing of the divine, while the left is palm down to distribute those blessings to the earth. Moving meditations are awesome. The Sufi branch of Islam deals with the non -material world, with an emphasis on mysticism, nonviolence, and charity
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:44 pm
by gunslinger_burrito
Derelict78 wrote:gunslinger_burrito wrote:Evolution. No intrinsic truths or morals to the universe besides cause and effect. No altruism. The universe, by nature, HAS to be infinite. Think about it. What's outside the solar system? Ok. What's outside the galaxy? Now what? and After that? There can't be a true beginning or end. That wouldn't make any sense. Not that much anything makes sense when looked at through human eyes.
So this:

So you claimed a bunch of absolute truths than than posted that pic?
Things dont have to make sense to be true. just because you cant imagine something does not mean it cant happen.
http://scaleofuniverse.com/
Wouldn't infinity mean "no absolute" truth, because the possibility of the existence of anything? Infinity is most likely a real concept, but we are constrained by physics, and (to use a term I believe was coined by Alejandro Jodorowsky) consensus reality.
I was referring to the photo mainly as a way to point out the scale of the universe, and how puny we are, in relation to it. That's why I wrote, "not that much anything makes sense when looked at through
human eyes." We think we know about the world/universe, but scientists will be the first to say that as much as we know, we really don't know that much. Of all those facts listed, it should be pretty apparent that our brains confabulate the majority of our perceived reality so that we can basically survive and navigate this strange experience we refer to as reality.
Edit: I forgot to say that that is a great link you put up! I love things like that.
On another note, Carlos Castaneda was a weirdo and a half, but in the first four books he wrote, he basically outlines a phenomenal "map" of human perception and consciousness.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:01 pm
by phantasmagorovich
gunslinger_burrito wrote:On another note, Carlos Castaneda was a weirdo and a half, but in the first four books he wrote, he basically outlines a phenomenal "map" of human perception and consciousness.
I've been thinking about reading his stuff lately. Is it actually readable at all? All the people I know that recommended it were kinda twenty and stoned so I'm not sure if their judgement is to be trusted.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:15 pm
by Chankgeez
phantasmagorovich wrote:gunslinger_burrito wrote:On another note, Carlos Castaneda was a weirdo and a half, but in the first four books he wrote, he basically outlines a phenomenal "map" of human perception and consciousness.
I've been thinking about reading his stuff lately. Is it actually readable at all? All the people I know that recommended it were kinda twenty and stoned so I'm not sure if their judgement is to be trusted.
It's been awhile since I've read Castaneda. The first four book are definitely worth reading. They're very confusing, especially in terms of the relationships he establishes. It only gets more confusing as his tale progresses. You pretty much have to suspend your disbelief. Whether it's actually fact or fiction, I couldn't tell you, but it's interesting nonetheless.
I DO BELIEVE IN JODOROWSKY

Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:21 pm
by devnulljp
I keep thinking people are smart and rational despite all the evidence to the contrary that they're mostly delusional nutbars.
Re: Esoterics // Superstition
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:26 pm
by phantasmagorovich
Chankgeez wrote:I DO BELIEVE IN JODOROWSKY

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8xAlFF18c[/youtube]
Can someone subtitle this please?
devnulljp wrote:I keep thinking people are smart and rational despite all the evidence to the contrary that they're mostly delusional nutbars.
I'm inclined to agree but given that you're a natural scientist and/or read a lot in that field I have the suspicion that we might mean totally different things by the same words.