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Derelict78 wrote:Anyone who thinks "God" created the everything in a 24 hour day is delusional.

Took me a while actually. But I really can't take all the credit.

dubkitty wrote:boy, could this forum ever use less politically correct trolling. is there any purpose whatsoever to this thread other than mocking people whose views differ from the typical modern-day collegiate consensus?

politically correct? I could care less.

people whose views differ from the typical modern-day collegiate consensus?

Well look at the donkey fucking thread... how do you feel about those people's views?

dubkitty wrote:is there any purpose whatsoever to this thread other than mocking people whose views differ from the typical modern-day collegiate consensus?

No, it's pretty pathetic. How the fuck do you know god didn't create the world in 24 hours? How do you know a giant chicken didn't lay an egg and that was the universe? There's no proof these things didn't happen so there's no need to feel so superior about your 'enlightened' views.

I think I pretty much agree with you, I've just totally given up on ever trying to convince people of anything, they can have their beliefs no matter how crazy they sound and I just don't care, and don't see the need for trying to explain things logically: that's not how they came to their current position, which is all about faith, so why should logic alter their beliefs?

It just annoys me how futile arguing about this shit is, and how it's ridiculous that both sides think they're superior to the other because their conclusion is right. Hey, maybe you're all dickheads?

I don't mean that all religious people are all intolerant and stubborn, or that all of them believe in the same things, and I don't mean to imply that about nonreligious people either, I just think the argument is a bit pointless. If people stopped bickering about things like this and talked about real problems maybe things would get done and we could all be friendlier.

monkeydancer wrote:I think I pretty much agree with you, I've just totally given up on ever trying to convince people of anything, they can have their beliefs no matter how crazy they sound and I just don't care, and don't see the need for trying to explain things logically: that's not how they came to their current position, which is all about faith, so why should logic alter their beliefs?

It just annoys me how futile arguing about this shit is, and how it's ridiculous that both sides think they're superior to the other because their conclusion is right. Hey, maybe you're all dickheads?

I don't mean that all religious people are all intolerant and stubborn, or that all of them believe in the same things, and I don't mean to imply that about nonreligious people either, I just think the argument is a bit pointless. If people stopped bickering about things like this and talked about real problems maybe things would get done and we could all be friendlier.

I've mostly come to the point where I feel the same way re: letting people believe whatever the hell they want and not bothering to try to convince them. The exception to that however, comes when they want to impose their beliefs on others. Like teaching creationism (whether they want to call it something else or not) to kids in public school, or trying to impose judeo-christian sexual prudishness as law. That shit pisses me off. If you want your religious beliefs taught in school, it should be taught in an elective comparative religion class or something, not in a science class.

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Shit, how had I not noticed that before?

bigchiefbc wrote:If you want your religious beliefs taught in school, it should be taught in an elective comparative religion class or something, not in a science class.

Completely agree, everyone has the right to their beliefs, but if you teach something in a science class it should be based on science.

I think an important point is that you can recognize the theory of evolution as beeing correct and still be a christian. One should also understand that proving evolution wrong, would not automatically prove that god exists.

Evolution is one of the best documented scientific theories that we have. There hasn't been a single case where the theory of evolution has proven to be wrong. If it was to be proven wrong, someone would get a nobel prize for that, so it's not like whenever scientist find something that they dont understand they stick their head in the ground, quite contrary. If evolution was to be proven wrong, we would just have to start over again, and develop a new theory. The theory of evolution is quite complex and it takes time to develop a basic understanding of what it entails. A good introduction is to read some of the chapters in Richard Dawkins new book:
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Reality-Kno ... 1439192812

If you're into a bit heavier reading you could always read "on the origin of the species" by Darwin.

The theory of evolution has important implications for medicine, psychology, genetics and many other important fields. Choosing not to believe in evolution would dischard a lot of modern science. Why would there be any point in using animal models in medicine, psychology or biology if we all were created differently and dont have anything in common with other animals? If humans are special, then we cant generalize some of the basic mechanisms in how genes work in for example fruit flies to how genes work in humans?

Heh. I love having creationism vs evolution arguments with my Christian friends. It's always really lighthearted, and nobody ever changes their mind, but whatever. They're not hurting anyone by being wrong.

It usually ends up going back to the Big Bang...

"Well, if there wasn't anything, then how was there a bang?"
"I dunno, where did God come from?"
-silence-
"Hey, lets make some food."
"Hell yeah!"

Gregor Samsa wrote:I think an important point is that you can recognize the theory of evolution as beeing correct and still be a christian. One should also understand that proving evolution wrong, would not automatically prove that god exists.

Evolution is one of the best documented scientific theories that we have. There hasn't been a single case where the theory of evolution has proven to be wrong. If it was to be proven wrong, someone would get a nobel prize for that, so it's not like whenever scientist find something that they dont understand they stick their head in the ground, quite contrary. If evolution was to be proven wrong, we would just have to start over again, and develop a new theory. The theory of evolution is quite complex and it takes time to develop a basic understanding of what it entails. A good introduction is to read some of the chapters in Richard Dawkins new book:
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Reality-Kno ... 1439192812

If you're into a bit heavier reading you could always read "on the origin of the species" by Darwin.

The theory of evolution has important implications for medicine, psychology, genetics and many other important fields. Choosing not to believe in evolution would dischard a lot of modern science. Why would there be any point in using animal models in medicine, psychology or biology if we all were created differently and dont have anything in common with other animals? If humans are special, then we cant generalize some of the basic mechanisms in how genes work in for example fruit flies to how genes work in humans?

I was waiting for the "it's a false dichotomy" post.

And homeboy just nailed the important bits of the discussion all in one post.

McSpunckle wrote:Heh. I love having creationism vs evolution arguments with my Christian friends. It's always really lighthearted, and nobody ever changes their mind, but whatever. They're not hurting anyone by being wrong.

It usually ends up going back to the Big Bang...

"Well, if there wasn't anything, then how was there a bang?"
"I dunno, where did God come from?"
-silence-
"Hey, lets make some food."
"Hell yeah!"

could god make himself so beautiful that he turned gay for himself?

D.o.S. wrote:

Gregor Samsa wrote:Winning the thread

I was waiting for the "it's a false dichotomy" post.

And homeboy just nailed the important bits of the discussion all in one post.

Yeah, this is what I meant to say but got caught up in being annoyed about silly arguments, but forgot the explanation of why it's a REALLY silly argument. Also I couldn't have said it that well.

It annoys me possibly more than fundamentalist religious people when atheists take things like evolution and the world being created a lot longer than 6000 years ago, which are things only SOME christians (I know less about other religions so I won't try to include that, I'd probably just look stupid) believe in, and are completely compatible with believing in god, and say it completely refutes the religion. It annoys me not just because that doesn't make any sense, but because they say they just follow science, but then use unscientific reasoning to come to a false conclusion which benefits them.

Fuzzy Fred wrote:

McSpunckle wrote:Heh. I love having creationism vs evolution arguments with my Christian friends. It's always really lighthearted, and nobody ever changes their mind, but whatever. They're not hurting anyone by being wrong.

It usually ends up going back to the Big Bang...

"Well, if there wasn't anything, then how was there a bang?"
"I dunno, where did God come from?"
-silence-
"Hey, lets make some food."
"Hell yeah!"

could god make himself so beautiful that he turned gay for himself?

Couldn't he just re-make himself as a woman?

So you're saying god is into gender bending? Also, if he made himself into a woman and was attracted to himself, he would still be gay, just a different gender?

monkeydancer wrote:So you're saying god is into gender bending? Also, if he made himself into a woman and was attracted to himself, he would still be gay, just a different gender?

I meant, like, he could make ANOTHER version of him to fuck, and that version is a female.

Like a heavenly sex robot.

But I guess being attracted to yourself is a little gay...