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The problem for me is that looking at the image of part of the user agreement in the linked article, it looks like they just tell you to destroy it. Not to check with an independent expert as to whether it's legit or not, just straight up destroy it. Even if something is counterfeit it may have been a genuine mistake by the seller,especially in cases like the one quoted. And that the wording implies that failing to destroy something just because they tell you could mean you lose your dispute.

the_carl wrote: It's one of those things where Paypal has become so prevalent as the de facto standard that it will be really hard for any comparable services to get a foothold.

That's definitely true. I'd be happy to use google checkout because I'm fairly happy with all the other google things I use, but paypal is just so prevalent I think it would be hard to get by without it.

monkeydancer wrote:The problem for me is that looking at the image of part of the user agreement in the linked article, it looks like they just tell you to destroy it. Not to check with an independent expert as to whether it's legit or not, just straight up destroy it. Even if something is counterfeit it may have been a genuine mistake by the seller,especially in cases like the one quoted. And that the wording implies that failing to destroy something just because they tell you could mean you lose your dispute.

Truth. I imagine the "not knowing it was fake when they sold it" bit gets difficult to deal with. Isn't it something like, it's not illegal to posses a counterfeit item and also not illegal to sell a counterfeit item if it's billed as such? No idea what the actual legal consequences are for selling a counterfeit knowingly/unknowingly, though.

yeah, and the thing is you pretty much CANT fake old violins. basically the complaint was bullshit but paypal took their side and all it accomplished was some guy essentially destroying an old violin to piss someone off.

Yeah, the whole counterfiet thing doesn't make sense, because, even if the violin wasn't made by the maker they claimed it was made by, its still an antique. I'm pretty sure that antiques are still antiques even if they were counterfeits in their day, you know? It's not like she's trying to pass off a new violin as an antique, the dispute is over who the maker was, not whether or not its from the time period they said it was....regardless, how the fuck is destroying something ever a logical step to resolving the dispute? Refund if necessary but at least give the seller their shit back...

I've heard plenty of horror stories from Paypal that I pretty much only use it when I trust the party I'm selling to and I know we can work it out prior to a PayPal dispute being made if there is a problem. I've done so little internet selling that I that it's never been an issue for me,...

As a buyer I like it so far. It's convenient. I have no intention of fleecing anyone so hopefully that keeps my karma up when I start selling more and more. If I can get by without using it when that time comes,....I will do my best to avoid PayPal.

PayPal and Ebay both have been "anti-seller/pro-buyer" for a number of years now.

Meh. There's always two sides to everything. Just sayin. Maybe it was in fact a counterfeit and the guy was just trying to make a quick buck. Maybe Paypal is in the wrong? Dunno. I've been using Paypal for years and have not one single time had any issue. Not once. I've done thousands of transactions buying and selling. Granted I don't sell expensive violins, but still.

Paypal favors the buyer COMPLETELY these days.
It is SO easy to scam a seller these days it's not even funny.

Last time I sold on ebay I was biting my nails for a week after.

I can understand the policy (not necessarily agree with it). IF it IS proven to be counterfit, the buyer would need to destroy it otherwise they go away with the money and the product.

But this story is blowing up, paypal is gonna lose a lot of customers. If you have a company that provides similar services, now is the time to reach out to potential customers.

setups a google checkout/wallet account(s). Worked much like paypal. 2.9% + .30 cents on every transaction as long as you stay under 3000$ a month. I'm gonna give it a go.

Google wallet/checkout seems like a good alternative, though I don't think you can link a bank account?
I linked everything to a CC for paypal anyway, safer that way (your credit card company offers a much longer window to dispute charges and is more likely to side with you in a dispute, though paypal will sometimes close your account in retaliation for skirting their dispute process).

A lot of the other paypal-alike companies are actually owned by paypal(or ebay...same thing) from what I understand...it borders on monopoly.

google checkout allows for bank account linking, wallet does not. Basically, wallet is for paying, checkout is for receiving.

They are merging the two which is why it's a bit confusing

Paypal messed up my rainbow machine order.
They suck.