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Caesar wrote:Since a lot of you are in bands, and some of you aren't, I wonder what your ideas on performances are. Do you get off on the rush of the crowd the energy of the performance, or do you prefer the quiet exploration of music away from the glare of people. Personally I hate being around people. Music helps me forget about being around people. It is an end unto itself. A friend of mine in a fairly popular local band loves to perform. His goals are about being heard by other people.

What say you?

Mudfuzz wrote:

Caesar wrote:Since a lot of you are in bands, and some of you aren't, I wonder what your ideas on performances are. Do you get off on the rush of the crowd the energy of the performance, or do you prefer the quiet exploration of music away from the glare of people. Personally I hate being around people. Music helps me forget about being around people. It is an end unto itself. A friend of mine in a fairly popular local band loves to perform. His goals are about being heard by other people.

What say you?

I like performing, it's one of the only things where I feel truly comfortable in public, I hate stores, I really don't like parties, I don't even like the time before and after performing... The stage for me is a little like a barrier...

Gearmond wrote:the very nature of music/art is that it requires a creator and an audience. for all intents and purposes, one cannot be the other.

if you argue "fuck the critics, i make music for myself" that is a logically fallacious argument with the above premise, seeing as it is regarded as true for pretty much any philosopher on the matter, and has been for quite some time, and has yet to come to any significant opposition. a painting no one has seen but the creator is a painting, but it is not art. likewise with music.

I make music that I like to make, but I'd like to have enough people who enjoy it to feel like it matters.

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:

Gearmond wrote:the very nature of music/art is that it requires a creator and an audience. for all intents and purposes, one cannot be the other.

if you argue "fuck the critics, i make music for myself" that is a logically fallacious argument with the above premise, seeing as it is regarded as true for pretty much any philosopher on the matter, and has been for quite some time, and has yet to come to any significant opposition. a painting no one has seen but the creator is a painting, but it is not art. likewise with music.

I make music that I like to make, but I'd like to have enough people who enjoy it to feel like it matters.

From what I can tell your post is attempting to define who is and who is not an artist based on whether or not they present their work to an audience. I think that is irrelevant in this thread.

It is quite possible to perform music for yourself in front of others.

Saying " "fuck the critics, i make music for myself" doesn't mean "I'm going to write and perform music that I like and everyone else will dislike". I think just by chance, if you perform music that you wrote by yourself and for yourself in front of and audience, a percentage of that audience will appreciate it. Where the "fuck the critics, i make music for myself" part comes in is whether or not you care about the percentage of the audience that didn't enjoy it and if you change your music accordingly. Maybe a better way to say it is " It's OK if not everyone likes my music, I made it for myself with like minded people in mind".

Also, I don't think every one plays music or paints for the satisfaction of others. A lot of art forms are used for relaxation among other things.

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:I like playing music and I like playing in front of people but I don't really care if those people like me playing music or not.

bigchiefbc wrote:
Well, I agree and yet I disagree. If you never intend anyone else to see a piece of visual art, why even display it anywhere other than in your living room? Why take a picture of it and post it somewhere? If it's just for you, it's right there in your home. The only reason to put it on display somewhere is so someone else can see it. Any if you're making music solely for yourself, then why perform it anywhere other than in your basement? Why bother to perform it in front of other people? The only explanation I can think of is that you DO want people other than yourself to hear it.

smile_man wrote:

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:I like playing music and I like playing in front of people but I don't really care if those people like me playing music or not.

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:I guess my point is when I write a song I don't write it for the purpose of other people liking it. I write it because I like it. If other people like it, that's cool too. If other people don't like it that's OK it doesn't make me like or perform it any less.

I have been in bands that tried to write songs that for the approval of others and it wasn't fulfilling to me in the same way playing in a cover band is not fufilling to me.

Maybe a better way of putting it is, I don't seek approval from others for my music and don't conform my music to others taste (bandmates excluded).

bigchiefbc wrote:

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:I guess my point is when I write a song I don't write it for the purpose of other people liking it. I write it because I like it. If other people like it, that's cool too. If other people don't like it that's OK it doesn't make me like or perform it any less.

I have been in bands that tried to write songs that for the approval of others and it wasn't fulfilling to me in the same way playing in a cover band is not fufilling to me.

Maybe a better way of putting it is, I don't seek approval from others for my music and don't conform my music to others taste (bandmates excluded).

OK, but if you don't care if people like it or not, then why bother performing it live in front of people, or releasing it on a CD or on the internet. The only reason to do those things is that you want an audience to hear it.

MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote:
OK, but if you don't care if people like it or not, then why bother performing it live in front of people, or releasing it on a CD or on the internet. The only reason to do those things is that you want an audience to hear it.

Your right, I love gracing an audience with my supreme talent and their approval and adoration is my salvation.
It took your persistence to make me realize that and I thank you.