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D.o.S. wrote:"needs more VCAs"... get ready to hear that a lot.

Depending on your timeline for building this, you can definitely try my little rig out to see what you like and don't like about it.

I also think it might be good to look at something like the 0-Coast to see if that might be more up your alley as a starting point.

0-coast is totally solid and maybe the cheapest way into a good solid setup. And totally more vcas.

90-104 and keep it simple.

There are a ton of dual envelope generators. Maths, Rampage, etc...Those can double as clocks, LFOs, and oscillators (mostly for stuff like sync). Rampage is a great DIY option...Love it.

I would go with a VCA before any filters or something like the Make Noise LxD (does a bit of filtering, non resonant) but works well enough as a VCA. Small, cheap filters are all around...But it is largely a preference thing. VCA is much more important. I really like the RYO aperature for a diy option. The VCX by Ryo looks like another good option.

Noise Reap Bermuda are good cheap oscillators. I'd stay away from DIY'in those because of the calibration (some harder than others). Two used anything will work well enough. Braids seems cool too. Clouds, Granpa, and some other digital ones are awesome looking (noise to brain adapter). Lots of options based on taste. If you are going waveshaper, triangle out is most important. With a filter, I would look for square and saw. Make noise STO is a good middle option with a lot in it (sub oscillator, slight waveshaper, two kinds of FM and a gate/trig in for subs).

Some oscs can double as LFOs. Noise reap makes cheap ones and there are a tone of digital ones (and your envelope generators). All voltages are pretty much the same in eurorack (there are some slight differences here and there), so look around for dual purpose things.

I don't know if you guys have synthrotek in the UK, but they make solid skiffs and diy kits for most everything. They keep it fairly simple and spaced out and easy to solder vs kits by like Befaco and music thing modular. Another good diy company I like is elby designs, but their modules are super deep.

Ladik makes some cheap utility modules too.

I would look at some logic and trigger gens/clocks too. Ryo, Ladik, synthrotek, circuit Abbey, Befaco and a bunch more out there on the cheap.

As for outs, I like both bastl ones (ciao and Hendrickson) depending on the situation.

I can't recommend Befaco, bastl and Ryo designs enough. All three do a great job at a great price.

Doepfer have a tone of solid stuff for a great price if you can spend the HP. Look there for filters and vcos maybe.

D.o.S. wrote:"needs more VCAs"... get ready to hear that a lot.

Depending on your timeline for building this, you can definitely try my little rig out to see what you like and don't like about it.

I also think it might be good to look at something like the 0-Coast to see if that might be more up your alley as a starting point.

Forgot VCA definitely need those.

Definitely want to try yours out no matter what! I've no plans on rushing this particularly, doesn't seem like the right way to go about it.

The 0 Coast looks really cool and fun but with stuff like that I'm slightly worried if I got it I'd eventually want to do something that would be easy if I could swap out part of it like with separate modules, and that it would be frustrating to then swap it for a whole set of modules, when I could have started down the separate route (with a bit more startup pain).

^thanks lordgalvar! Lots of ideas, plenty of reading to do.

any of you eurorackers know of a mixer module w/ CV control of channel levels instead of just muting on and off?

Look a could of pages back. D.o.S. was just talking about it. viewtopic.php?f=149&t=32010&start=1365#p1173335

lordgalvar wrote:Look a could of pages back. D.o.S. was just talking about it. viewtopic.php?f=149&t=32010&start=1365#p1173335

thanks. those are ALL more complicated than what i'm hoping for.
i have an intellijel mutamix and am not caring for the limit of muting. wishing it could modulate levels so that multiple VCOs could blend in and out. but, guess i'll have to rig up and do this another way, shouldn't be too big a deal, just surprised there isn't a single module out there that would take care of this.

space6oy wrote:

lordgalvar wrote:Look a could of pages back. D.o.S. was just talking about it. viewtopic.php?f=149&t=32010&start=1365#p1173335

thanks. those are ALL more complicated than what i'm hoping for.
i have an intellijel mutamix and am not caring for the limit of muting. wishing it could modulate levels so that multiple VCOs could blend in and out. but, guess i'll have to rig up and do this another way, shouldn't be too big a deal, just surprised there isn't a single module out there that would take care of this.

I thought the Mutamix did this? What about the Linix?

mutamix just mutes (hence the name), i'm not sure about the linix, will check it out...

space6oy wrote:

lordgalvar wrote:Look a could of pages back. D.o.S. was just talking about it. viewtopic.php?f=149&t=32010&start=1365#p1173335

thanks. those are ALL more complicated than what i'm hoping for.
i have an intellijel mutamix and am not caring for the limit of muting. wishing it could modulate levels so that multiple VCOs could blend in and out. but, guess i'll have to rig up and do this another way, shouldn't be too big a deal, just surprised there isn't a single module out there that would take care of this.

I saw a demo of doing the oscillator blending with the verbos scan and pan. https://www.instagram.com/p/BN7fYFoDiZD/ they didn't voltage control the levels, but it can.

Wouldn't the Moddemix work?

jeesh i hadn't thought of that...

Not mentioned there is the Doepfer A-135 VC Mix, but the CV controls the Gain on the channels, not the actual Signal In.

I assume the Linix does what you're looking for as it is "six VCAs with CV attenuation and BIAS control for each channel" and the first five are summed into the sixth to give CV control over the master mix.
I actually use my Frames for modulating several VCOs in and out of a mix too. Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but it is nice because you only need the one modulation source

some of us don't know shit about modulars.

lordgalvar : you said you have a Bastl Ciao, right ?
I plugged mine in yesterday and it works fine except for the fact that for both outputs the left and right channels are not differenciated (i.e. on in each ear) but just seem to be mixed.
I tried with Beyer DT770-pro, I considered a connection problem but then I'd get only left or right in both ears...

I'll ask Bastl, I bought directly from them. That Ciao has the jack outputs a bit offset from each other too (because of sloppy soldering for the PCB that supports them), not super happy about that too.

The Cinnamon filter is great though. Lots of character and can FSU pretty easily .

I got my ciao direct too. As a side, I work mostly in mono and don't worry about stereo too much.

I think the headphones on the ciao are for monitoring purposes only and sum. The line outputs are weird stereo depending on which outputs are plugged in and it sums both (like sums based on those arrows more trial and error). There is a slight difference in clipping on both a and b channels (very very slight and only at extremes...I assume part variances). It's got an odd workflow for sure. The monitor a or mix a+b thing is really weird.

As for offset, I had more problems with the make noise Rosie. That thing was noisy depending on what pedals, modules, or amps I had plugged in and it was either too loud or too quiet (I find ciao more forgiving with a variety of inputs and the clipping is more pleasant). Incidentally, it worked well to diagnose noise problems (always had a slight offset except in perfect conditions).

The blend on/DJ fade is pretty useless due to perceived attenuation when both are blended.

I would run the ciao out to a mixer with the 1/4" and monitor there. The headphones are kinda just to check in to see what's there I think (like Rosie has the opposite in headphones and you can never monitor the loop).

I guess the big difference is that make noise and everything made at dark place is that they use more modern building techniques while bastl is basically DIYin like other people. Mistakes will happen.

Rosie just pissed me off and I am more than happy with the ciao.

Hey guys,
I'm finally hopping to put together my modular system this year.
Ideally, I'd love to have a Make Noise Shared System, but it's a tad out of budget.
The dream is to put this in a Trogotronic M168 case, and build it through out the year.
It's a shame I can't seem to process guitar with this setup, but it does complete my need for a ambient/drone rig.
I know I've got two synth voices, the Grendel and the Elements. My hope was to be able to sequence and process them separately for maximum versatility.
I'm kinda stuck with the sequencers, though.

I've put together two, one with the Make Noise Rene:


And one with the Make Noise Pressure Points:



The idea is that I'd love the out of the box sequencing that the Rene offers, but I know I need some VCAs in there too!
So, what do you think?
Do I have everything I need? Is there anything I don't?

Thanks for the assist!