conky wrote:
The Black Forest can get into chuggy territory, but to me the Revelation does it better with the pregain all the way down, the gain all the way up and then the volume to taste. Its really tight and sounds exactly like your amps tone that way. Sounded great that way on a dirty amp too. There aren't any palm mutes in this song but you can hear how tight it can get. One side is a dimed JCM800 being boosted by the Revelation and the other side is a Soldano with dirty cleans on it being hit with the Revelation. Both tracks were recorded at one time with the cabs mic'd up with their backs to each other.
The reason I'm asking is if it works out I'm gonna see about getting a custom pedal with the Revelation and Black Forest in one box so I can save room on my board. Then maybe I'll still have room for my Ritual.
That was thrash-o-liscious. Thanks dude. I do believe I am going to be most enthralled.
OK...just finished wiring up the Sovtek. I made one annoying mistake....and I wired all the pots backwards...I had to mount them upside down, it was late, I'm tired....blah blah.
Anyway, I managed to not fuck it up entirely and my shit works!
It is a bit noisy though, lotta hiss...gotta work out whats going on there.
I know I did replace the resistors throughout the tone cap section with slightly higher rated ones (300k, replaced with 330k). Would that do it?
You guys get all the good cough medicine.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:55 pm
by fallen
Got inspired and recorded this yesterday. It's an unstructured song structure that keeps moving forward and morphing rather than repeating riffs. I think it came out decent.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:35 pm
by Barracuda
So I'm looking for a delay pedal... I want to be able to make some nice dark and saturated ambient soundscape type stuff in combination with my supernatural reverb. I'm not too familiar with delays, but I have a few in mind - Strymon El Capistan, MiniFooger Delay, or MXR Carbon Copy... thoughts anyone? I think the Strymon would be about as expensive as I could swing, so no Timeline for me.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:35 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
Barracuda wrote:So I'm looking for a delay pedal... I want to be able to make some nice dark and saturated ambient soundscape type stuff in combination with my supernatural reverb. I'm not too familiar with delays, but I have a few in mind - Strymon El Capistan, MiniFooger Delay, or MXR Carbon Copy... thoughts anyone? I think the Strymon would be about as expensive as I could swing, so no Timeline for me.
I was gonna reccomend the TimeLine as I'm about to list mine up in the BST, but then I read your last sentence.
Out of those three the Capistan would be my vote. I still kinda miss mine and I have a timeline.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:03 pm
by Barracuda
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
I was gonna reccomend the TimeLine as I'm about to list mine up in the BST, but then I read your last sentence.
Out of those three the Capistan would be my vote. I still kinda miss mine and I have a timeline.
Huh, I thought the Timeline could do all the things that the El Capistan can and then some?
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:04 pm
by new05002
Barracuda wrote:
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
I was gonna reccomend the TimeLine as I'm about to list mine up in the BST, but then I read your last sentence.
Out of those three the Capistan would be my vote. I still kinda miss mine and I have a timeline.
Huh, I thought the Timeline could do all the things that the El Capistan can and then some?
El Cap does the tape thing better than the Timeline. Timeline dTape mode is like a streamlined version of the El Cap.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:16 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
Barracuda wrote:Huh, I thought the Timeline could do all the things that the El Capistan can and then some?
No reverb and no "secondary" controls. It gets CLOSE, like 90% there but the EC has the slight edge over the TL's dTape mode.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:22 pm
by skullservant
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
Barracuda wrote:Huh, I thought the Timeline could do all the things that the El Capistan can and then some?
No reverb and no "secondary" controls. It gets CLOSE, like 90% there but the EC has the slight edge over the TL's dTape mode.
This. I still miss having a freaking El Cap
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:56 pm
by Grrface
Barracuda wrote:So I'm looking for a delay pedal... I want to be able to make some nice dark and saturated ambient soundscape type stuff in combination with my supernatural reverb. I'm not too familiar with delays, but I have a few in mind - Strymon El Capistan, MiniFooger Delay, or MXR Carbon Copy... thoughts anyone? I think the Strymon would be about as expensive as I could swing, so no Timeline for me.
Have a particular sound you're looking for? Tap tempo? For saturated soundscape, I found the EQD Dispatch Master to be excellent, I've really been loving my Dirgedweller, or the TC Flashback is good and cheap. Lots of options in the Flashback too.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:18 pm
by Kacey Y
fallen wrote:Got inspired and recorded this yesterday. It's an unstructured song structure that keeps moving forward and morphing rather than repeating riffs. I think it came out decent.
Already commented about it on your SRLives post, but I really really dig the second half of this after the slide guitar kicks in. I dunno, something about it just grabs me. Good job man.
On the delay tip, I'm really looking forward to hearing some more demos and reading reviews on the MF Delay when that gets out into circulation. I've wanted to get a new delay for a couple years, but there's so much out there and I can never choose between the well reviewed analog or analog voiced digital delays that get hyped. I have a Tech 21 DLA Tap Tempo now and it works great as a really clean analog delay (it can get a little dark and modulated, but it's definitely not trying to ape the dirty tape delay sound), but I've been itching for something with a self oscillation mode or expression pedal out for some cool noisy freakout parts here and there.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:11 pm
by Barracuda
Corey Y wrote:...I've wanted to get a new delay for a couple years, but there's so much out there and I can never choose between the well reviewed analog or analog voiced digital delays that get hyped...
My thoughts exactly...
Grrface wrote:Have a particular sound you're looking for? Tap tempo? For saturated soundscape, I found the EQD Dispatch Master to be excellent, I've really been loving my Dirgedweller, or the TC Flashback is good and cheap. Lots of options in the Flashback too.
Well I just found this actually, which has steered me strongly in favor of the El Cap - see around 9:10 and 10:30.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvnEcRWwlXY[/youtube]
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:21 pm
by LOCOPELAND
I have a Carbon Copy. It's an excellent delay that's super simple to use. I'm really interested in the Greenhouse Effects Retro Sky, though.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:25 pm
by AngryGoldfish
D.o.S. wrote:
AngryGoldfish wrote:The Blackstar amps I've tried are not Doom-worthy on their own. I imagine Matt uses plenty of pedal colouration on either a clean setting or a slightly gritty setting, at which any loud amp on the planet could be a Doom amp. The 200 watt Series One has that big low-end and piano-like sustain of a Diezel Herbert or a Soldano Avenger, but that's it.
Pray tell, what is the criteria for doom worthy?
Come on, we've spoken about the Doom sound for almost a year now, and it's been discussed a hundred times before over the years. Do I really need to detail why modern amps don't often cut the mustard for some players unless they have a pedal? For me, strumming a power chord into a dry clean amp with a Big Muff or something of that ilk is about as close to the Doom sound I hear in my head as you can get. It churns and rumbles, not chanks and clangs. There are different variations on the Doom tone, of course, like when people use Soldanos, or 5150's, or Boss HM-2 pedals into an old Peavey or Dual Rectifier, but that's a sound and feeling that's been captured on record; it has encapsulated something for many people. A Blackstar Series One 200 has not yet defined a genre or era or made me feel anything. I had a Soldano before and it made me feel something. It was dark, menacing, brooding. The Series One 200 made me feel a smidgen of this, but it was fizzy, sizzly, clangy, and chunky in a steel-hitting-steel kind of way. It doesn't rumble with deep fog and dry death. It makes me feel completely different. Metal, to me anyway, is about how it makes you feel. Dillinger and Converge are two of my favourite metal bands because of how they make me feel. YOB I love because of how perfect their writing is, how they pace their music, and of course how guttural their guitar tone is. It's epic, huge, churning, throaty, foggy. It makes me shiver with glee inside. A modern Blackstar is none of these things. It reminds me of a different era; a different genre.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
AngryGoldfish wrote:So you'd be running the Annunaki, the Wizard, and the OR120 together at once? I personally think that's too much. I would rather the versatility of the pedals than another amp, especially since they all do something pretty similar. With that said, the Wizard is higher gain, the Annunaki is pure clean, and the OR120 is middle of the road. It would fill in the gaps nicely. But of course the Skyhammer preamp can do that too.
I think it would be cool for you to get the amp, but would you actually keep it or would you sell it six months from now? I think you go through gear not because you don't like it any more but because you don't feel as inspired any more. If you think of it that way, there is never anything wrong with selling old gear to buy new. What I will say is this: I don't think you'll sound any better or louder. You'd be digressing in my opinion, but you'd still be trying something new and I think that's what makes you happy. It's not that you sound 'better' with your small board, it's just that it's newer to you and more creative for you at this moment in time. You've changed directions so you feel like your gear should do the same. I totally get that and am very much the same, except that I can't always let go of something that's given me so much joy and satisfaction in the past. Most of the stuff I have today I've had for years and have no intention of selling. But then again, I don't have access to gear like many in the UK, Germany, or the US would have, for example. What I have I keep because I don't have anything to replace it with.
I could run all three at once but I'm more aiming at gigging with the Wizard and OD120 and only breaking out the Naki for special gigs. That amp is such a monolith of importance to me that I want to risk its safety as few times as possible. Actually the wizard isn't that high gain unless I dime the volume, but at 11:00 its all ready at typical gig levels without being too dirty at all. So its more like Naki > Wizard > OD120 in terms of gain from clean to high gain.
That really is a good question. I've been doing alot of thinking lately and looking back at the stuff I wish I hadn't sold and of the stuff I have that ended up being redundant. If I can achieve the same tone or similar with two cheaper pedals than why should I keep the more expensive one that requires more maintanence. I can get very similar tones out of my meathead and rat combo, but with a thicker and billowier tone and no worries about tubes fading out or another 3 prong power chord. The timeline I would miss mainly because of the looper, but I haven't done any loop drones in months and that was when I had no real big plans to start another band and was going to mainly do solo stuff. Now that my daughter is born all I can think about is forming another real band and getting out there and playing, and looping won't be a part of it. The other thing is both my boards are essentially identical setups just with different pedals; boost > dirt > volume pedal > delay. And I found myself dialing them in almost identically, so I'm thinking am I keeping the skyhammer and Timeline because of their clout or because I genuinely prefer them. I fell though that the orange would add something I don't have right now, an amp designed for built in amp gain that takes pedals amazingly. Which could be really cool for recording, or for just slamming with a RAT and dooming out. I feel that I've been scatter brained about gear due to everything going on in life, its been my escape in a way from stress and confusion. And I feel that I need to buckle down and figure out what it is I want to do and focus on that instead of amassing toys to entertain my mind. As of lately if I take a pedal off the board I usually end up selling it, and sometimes not replacing it, just trying to strip down to the bones of what I need and perfecting that. I'm even contemplating selling my Tele's... I built them because I wanted to have 6 strings in case I found a band to join where I would need one, but I'm at the point where its fuck "joining" a band, if I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do it my way. And that way is 7 strings tuned to stupid, the least amount of pedals to achieve what I need, and more wattage and speakers than is necessary cranked to volumes that should be illegal in some states, played slow low and as pissed off as I really am on the inside.
Your right that I've changed directions many times, I've been doing alot of soul searching about what I want to do and how I want to do it. I feel as if I'm 18 again and going out and trying different things to find what gets me off, and now I've been there and tried that and I'm finally starting to settle and mature musically. When I grab a six string I feel as if something is missing and always want to tune lower, and whenever I mess around with the timeline and bounce between presets and do crazy looping I feel like I'm going off on a tagent. Maybe I'm just trying to justify it to myself, maybe I just love amps and cabs more than pedals...
I'd say go with your gut then. It definitely is speaking to me a specific way, so I imagine it's speaking to you that way too. Most of your gear can be reacquired if you do end up missing your Teles or Timeline. When the weather improves next year and I start performing on a more regular basis again, I don't want to bring my 10+ pedalboard with me. I only want the pedals that I need, the things that truly help me create and help inspire others as well as myself. So I totally see where you are coming from; condensing is a good thing. It's just that you'll probably find yourself fancying a change all over again and want to expand. That's why I'm keeping my favourite pedals now, even if I don't use them everyday. One day, one of them might be perfect for a job, and I'd rather enjoy them until that moment than sell them and have to repurchase them at a later date and lose a bunch of money doing so. But then again, although there are things I really want, like a hollowbody and a big amp, the only thing I need is a hollowbody, and I'll be able to afford one of those without selling a bunch of pedals come next March. For you, if you really want another Dunwich or an Orange right now, selling pedals and whatever else you don't need, that will never be a bad choice. Going with your gut is rarely a bad choice.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:25 pm
by ryan summit
i always hype the delaylab
when the expression thing is brought up
all the paramaters can be expressionated
but i got a mean hiss outta one of the channels now
yes ive tried banging the area i think is busted
but it really is dope besides that
and they were goin for $120 a couple weeks ago
that said id love an el cap
