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Ghost Hip wrote:

PuddysJacket wrote: But taking one side of a story as fact is retarded

PuddysJacket wrote: Didn't mean to reply via PM. But, once you learn some reading comprehension, and can articulate a response without name calling, typing in capitals, and cursing, I'll respond to you.

You're out of here, bud.

If anyone else wants to be a sexist and ignorant piece of shit, PM me first and we can make this process a whole lot quicker. And if you disagree with this act of banning, you can get the fuck off my forum.

D.o.S. wrote:New thread title suggestion: ILF's mostly absent moderation makes moves to be #woke?

D.o.S. wrote:New thread title suggestion: ILF's mostly absent moderation makes moves to be #woke?

Ghost Hip wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:New thread title suggestion: ILF's mostly absent moderation makes moves to be #woke?

There's a report button above every asshole's post. and I have an inbox. Your joke rings true and I think about it almost everyday. I was even developing a plan to put up new mods to help me out but life got hectic. I suppose I will reach out to those parties again and get it taken care of.

PuddysJacket wrote:

Eivind August wrote: Edit: So, we don't know yet. People were saying that this sucks and that nobody is pure. Then you enter with the «We don't know, she might lie»-thing. What exactly prompted you to do that?

Probably the fact that the general sentiment on the first couple pages was "wow, nobody saw this coming....really sucks. Why are men like this?".....as if this was something definite, set in concrete. People lie all the time, that's why we have due process. If you're asking me to be open to the idea that the dude raped her while she was unconscious - of course. But taking one side of a story as fact is retarded, and is what almost everyone on this thread is doing.

Hate to point to the Gira thing again...but I had the same stance in that case and guess what? The chick was full of shit and just angry he didn't return her feelings.

PuddysJacket wrote:

Eivind August wrote:

PuddysJacket wrote:

Eivind August wrote: Edit: So, we don't know yet. People were saying that this sucks and that nobody is pure. Then you enter with the «We don't know, she might lie»-thing. What exactly prompted you to do that?

Probably the fact that the general sentiment on the first couple pages was "wow, nobody saw this coming....really sucks. Why are men like this?".....as if this was something definite, set in concrete. People lie all the time, that's why we have due process. If you're asking me to be open to the idea that the dude raped her while she was unconscious - of course. But taking one side of a story as fact is retarded, and is what almost everyone on this thread is doing.

Hate to point to the Gira thing again...but I had the same stance in that case and guess what? The chick was full of shit and just angry he didn't return her feelings.

Ok, good luck being right in a few percent of these cases. Hope that feeling of accomplishment is worth it.

In all seriousness, I see your general point (I think everyone here does), but I do not see the point of arguing so vehemently about it. Nobody in this thread had called Orri a rapist as far as I can tell. Most of us, however, seem to feel for the accuser in cases such as this, or at least to be empathetic to their struggle. I'm having a hard time seeing why anybody would think otherwise, which is why I called you out.

The precedent being set by incidents like these is what's unsettling. By simply accusing him, the dude's time in a band touring the world is over. For the rest of his life he'll be known as a rapist by anyone who googles him.

It would've been the same for Gira as well, and 3/4 of the self-policing indie community had already convicted him - look at his lyrics, his music, his stories. He was not a hard sell as someone who'd do something terrible if you know his work.

Except...he didn't do it. He 'victim' had sent him dozens of emails both before and after the incident - she was quite literally obsessed with him.

Again, nobody has to label someone outright for one to gauge what the general sentiment is. All I'm doing is remaining objective, that's it. If that leads you to assuming I'm defending one of the most heinous crimes on the planet...there has been a critical misstep in your logic somewhere along the line.

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aens_wife wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:New thread title suggestion: ILF's mostly absent moderation makes moves to be #woke?

Defending rapists and abusers isn't exactly a tough line for most of us to toe, ya know?

And for people, like me, who are really struggling with the current issues in american life (political and cultural backlash or whatever you want to call it), I really appreciate someone stepping in and ending the bs here.

If you have never been assaulted, it might hard to understand the stress it causes to watch people defend that behavior, but I hope that there is some empathy in most of you (not just singling you out, DOS).

Also, it isn't like the dude was a wonderful member of our community here who was just trying to understand someone else's point, right? He was a low-post count dickhead who likes to upset people. No great loss.