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UglyCasanova wrote:

whitecapsof wrote:I said generally! And quality is almost entirely subjective right? What if I'm not wowed by the Context but I love the Dark Star. It becomes kind of an impossible question, although I will agree that $200 seems steep for what OBNE is putting out. But if it's exactly the sound you're looking for then it's probably worth it.

I see where you are coming from. But quality is not the same as preference (subjectivity). To say that the Context/Particle/BitQuest is not a quality pedal is a little bit strange.

Again, I'm not saying that buying from OBNE/Alexander/whatever is stupid or wrong. If you start GASing for a sound (or an image (see Klon)), you should by all means get that pedal if you can afford it. All I'm questioning is, if you put out a delay with three modes and then make another three algo's six months later, why wouldn't you jam all six modes into the next pedal you make? Making a new PCB is not really an excuse, as you can easily charge more and call it "*whatever the first pedal was called* deluxe" or whatever.

That's it. I'll leave you to it. I didn't mean to totally override this thread.

I don't agree that quality is entirely objective. Preference is just a subjective assessment of quality isn't it? We can say for example that bananas are objectively high quality, being full of valuable nutrients like potassium, and that they are subjectively high quality, being tasty as a motherfucker.

As to how that ties back to the thread the problem I have with the bitquest in particular is that its an incredible accomplishment as a multi-effect but every individual effect on it is ok, or at the very least not very exciting, in my opinion. Playing around with it gets me jazzed about a sound and sends me searching the web for a pedal that does that effect in a way that is very exciting to me. I think that both extremely diverse multi featured boxes like the Bitquest and more focussed pedals like the Mondegreen have a worthwhile role to play in the way we make sounds.

I'm glad that we have both.

This is hilarious. I went from not knowing anything about the Mondegreen (but being intrigued enough by OBNE aesthetic/quality to consider a $200 purchase) to the disappointing "Oh look another spin chip format with a nice enclosure"

ApeLincoln wrote:

UglyCasanova wrote:

whitecapsof wrote:I said generally! And quality is almost entirely subjective right? What if I'm not wowed by the Context but I love the Dark Star. It becomes kind of an impossible question, although I will agree that $200 seems steep for what OBNE is putting out. But if it's exactly the sound you're looking for then it's probably worth it.

I see where you are coming from. But quality is not the same as preference (subjectivity). To say that the Context/Particle/BitQuest is not a quality pedal is a little bit strange.

Again, I'm not saying that buying from OBNE/Alexander/whatever is stupid or wrong. If you start GASing for a sound (or an image (see Klon)), you should by all means get that pedal if you can afford it. All I'm questioning is, if you put out a delay with three modes and then make another three algo's six months later, why wouldn't you jam all six modes into the next pedal you make? Making a new PCB is not really an excuse, as you can easily charge more and call it "*whatever the first pedal was called* deluxe" or whatever.

That's it. I'll leave you to it. I didn't mean to totally override this thread.

I don't agree that quality is entirely objective. Preference is just a subjective assessment of quality isn't it? We can say for example that bananas are objectively high quality, being full of valuable nutrients like potassium, and that they are subjectively high quality, being tasty as a motherfucker.

As to how that ties back to the thread the problem I have with the bitquest in particular is that its an incredible accomplishment as a multi-effect but every individual effect on it is ok, or at the very least not very exciting, in my opinion. Playing around with it gets me jazzed about a sound and sends me searching the web for a pedal that does that effect in a way that is very exciting to me. I think that both extremely diverse multi featured boxes like the Bitquest and more focussed pedals like the Mondegreen have a worthwhile role to play in the way we make sounds.

I'm glad that we have both.

Personally, I love the BQ and Particle (BQ verb is my main reverb, even though I own a RM-1N and a Space) but didn't care for the Context. That's my preference. I still understand that that the Context is a quality pedal despite my preferences.

I'm also glad we have both, but I don't see how you wouldn't want the builders to add the old modes to their next model so that you're able to get more sounds. I just think it's greedy and/or lazy, potentially causing you to spend waaay more money and another spot on the board. In my dream world you would just get to choose the artwork and the algorithms you like from their selection and they'd load them in. Oh yeaaah! Okay, this is me being silly again. Boobs.

YOU DONT GET MORE SOUNDS!!! YOU ONLY GET ONE -- WHICHEVER ONE YOU PICK. The other 3,000,000 modes sit silent while you use it. Multi-effects pedals are STUPID!

Having one pedal that does 8 things sucks dog dookie compared to having 8 pedals that do one thing each really well.

Absolutely without the slightest hesitation, I would buy a $200 pedal that did one thing really well over a $300 pedal that did 8 things really well, but only let me use one at a time.

HighDeaf1080p wrote: I would buy a $200 pedal that did one thing really well over a $300 pedal that did 8 things really well, but only let me use one at a time.

So you would buy one of the modes from the Particle/Context/BitQuest for $200 instead of getting them all and having the possibility of changing the entire sound of your board with the flick of a toggle/rotary switch, giving you more sonic possibilities, taking you out of your comfort zone? Wow. Guess we're different people.

Haha...well, there seems to be two different things going on here. And as I read back through your posts, I agree with half of what you're saying.

1. Pedals that do 8 different things from totally different classes of effects.
2. Four Pedals that do 3 different things within ONE class of effects.

I agree that it would be NICE to not have 4 different delay pedals from Alexander...but I am fine picking the one that has the 3 modes I like best and am most likely to use, and ignoring the fact that there are 3 other delay pedals out there that don't interest me. Each one seems to be at least somewhat directed towards a particular style of music.

I do not feel quite as slighted as you do that one delay pedal from alexander doesn't do all of the things their 4 delay pedals do...but I at least can understand why you feel you'r being scammed. Personally, I am not likely to ever use or even try the vast majority of those other available modes anyway if they were all in one pedal. I want ONE great effect out of each box on my board...that I can then move around to adjust the order in relation to other effects. For this, I am willing to pay well more than the price of any of these spin chip pedals on the market right now, as long as they sound amazing. Most of them do not.

I don't agree that there's much value in the Bitquest, given that I'd have to buy 5 of them to make use of the bit crusher, reverb, ring mod, delay, and flanger anyway. But...If the bitquest really does have the best version of those 5 effects you've heard, then the right answer probably is to buy 5 bitquests.

Now...pie in the sky option: If the bitquest allowed you to use as many of its modes as you wanted at the same time, and allowed you to specify what order they fell in relation to one another...THEN I'd buy one.

It kinda feels like this thread has taken its course

haha...we're back to "agree to disagree" aren't we?

Haha! I guess we are

I still like, personally, to have a multi-effect at the end of my chain so that I can drastically change the sound of my entire board without having to physically change pedals from one song to another. But I guess that is part of the preference discussion as it relates to what sort of music you make. Personally, having the BitQuest at the end of my chain allows me, in a live setting, to have infinite reverb on one track, pitch shift up on the next and dirty ring mod with sweeps via an expression pedal after that, all whilst still having all 12-13 pedals doing their thing before that. I would literally have to bring another board to play all of our songs if I didn't have the BQ. But yeah, this is the sort of thing thay boils down to what music you play and what you need your pedals to do. Our music is very effect driven, so having many tonal options in each pedal is a big plus for me, hence wanting as many algorithms as possible in a spin chip based pedal.

That's it. I'm buying a Bitquest. Out of spite.

My work here is done

HighDeaf1080p wrote:Haha...well, there seems to be two different things going on here. And as I read back through your posts, I agree with half of what you're saying.

1. Pedals that do 8 different things from totally different classes of effects.
2. Four Pedals that do 3 different things within OBNE class of effects.

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I do not feel quite as slighted as you do that one delay pedal from alexander doesn't do all of the things their 4 delay pedals do...but I at least can understand why you feel you'r being scammed. Personally, I am not likely to ever use or even try the vast majority of those other available modes anyway if they were all in one pedal. I want OBNE great effect out of each box on my board...that I can then move around to adjust the order in relation to other effects. For this, I am willing to pay well more than the price of any of these spin chip pedals on the market right now, as long as they sound amazing. Most of them do not.

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Now...pie in the sky option: If the bitquest allowed you to use as many of its modes as you wanted at the same time, and allowed you to specify what order they fell in relation to one another...THEN I'd buy oBne.

UglyCasanova wrote:My work here is doBne

I have no horse in this race because I don't care, but I did sell my Bitquest because I got tired of plugging it into entirely different spots because all of it's modes were so great. Bitquest benefits most from that Patchulator box because it makes everyones life so much easier.