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jwar wrote:Am I sensing an Alex Jones follower here?

MORE RESEARCH JWAR ..

Sparrow wrote:

jwar wrote:Dude, I really hope you don't actually believe the earth is flat. If you do, you may be smoking just a tad too much.

D.o.S. wrote:Just so we're clear, photos from space are fake, but youtube videos with handrawn mongolian sizes are totally legit?

Sarcastic .. negative comments from you two .. no way

I would stick with skeptical and critical, myself.

Sarcasm is in service of an actual question on the limits of credulity, to steal a line from Terrence McKenna: wonderful orator of bullshit fantasies.

Negative or not, I can't believe is an actual question. I have never in my life met someone who actually believed the earth was flat.

If the earth is flat, then why exactly are all the other planets out there round? Have you ever looked through a high powered telescope?

Also, how does the sun rise and fall? It doesn't move in a direct up and down fashion, which would make sense if the earth were flat.

Apparently Flat Earthers believe that all other planetary bodies are round... just not Earth. Because of course.

D.o.S. wrote:

Sparrow wrote:

jwar wrote:Dude, I really hope you don't actually believe the earth is flat. If you do, you may be smoking just a tad too much.

D.o.S. wrote:Just so we're clear, photos from space are fake, but youtube videos with handrawn mongolian sizes are totally legit?

Sarcastic .. negative comments from you two .. no way

I would stick with skeptical and critical, myself.

Sarcasm is in service of an actual question on the limits of credulity, to steal a line from Terrence McKenna: wonderful orator of bullshit fantasies.

See, Terrence McKenna is where i can get on board. Science is absolutely not as neutral as atheists would have us believe; what gets researched, funded, and proven is absolutely in the service of propping up certain pwers and political or social narratives. So some guy wants to say human evolution is a result of eating psilocybin, which is actually an intergalactic spore that traveled here from space on meteors. Sure. i won't say it's definitely correct, or even that i believe it, but why we are the way we are has literally zero bearing on my life and this is as credible as anything science or religions would say.

I jump off the train at the insistence that thing A isn't the way i remember it and therefore my rrality has changed, because i am definitely not misremembering things about countries that an admittedly lackluster public school system taught me basically zilch about.
Besides the truly annoying americentrism apparent in the map thing though, compared to the millenia of imperialism and complete domination of thought carried out in the names of religion and science throughout civilization, this is mostly harmless. That said, if the Earth was flat, it would require a lot of explaining why ships disappear over the horizon and then return back to port.

/crazy

Eivind August wrote: What is it you want to happen? Waking up the people = getting everyone to believe in the mandela effect? Then what? Revolution? Question mark?

That's what bugs me with this shit. Even if a bizarre conspiracy theory turned out to be true, then what? Turns out the Earth is flat? Oh, okay. I'll get on with my day then.

FLAT OR NOT THE EARTH IS MADE OUT OF BULLSHIT AND YOU ARE ALL PRIMITIVES

Snufkino wrote:

Eivind August wrote: What is it you want to happen? Waking up the people = getting everyone to believe in the mandela effect? Then what? Revolution? Question mark?

That's what bugs me with this shit. Even if a bizarre conspiracy theory turned out to be true, then what? Turns out the Earth is flat? Oh, okay. I'll get on with my day then.

What always bugs me about Alex Jones nuts is my reaction is just like, "Of course?" Like, the fearmongering about the government or weather control, like it just reeks of escapist fantasy, the real world is so much worse than their fears.

psychic vampire. wrote:See, Terrence McKenna is where i can get on board. Science is absolutely not as neutral as atheists would have us believe; what gets researched, funded, and proven is absolutely in the service of propping up certain pwers and political or social narratives. So some guy wants to say human evolution is a result of eating psilocybin, which is actually an intergalactic spore that traveled here from space on meteors. Sure. i won't say it's definitely correct, or even that i believe it, but why we are the way we are has literally zero bearing on my life and this is as credible as anything science or religions would say.

Actually, a lot of modern science is pretty "out there", you just need to read up on recent developments, not expect mainstream media to be completely up to snuff. Assuming your problem is with the kartesian focus on dead matter. Apart from that, I agree with you. I'm not convinced by McKenna, but that might be partly because of the kind of people who usually cling on to his narrative. People who love drugs sure love to make everything be about drugs.

Drug fuelled minds can't melt logic beams.

Corporate science, yes.
But that's not what the essence of science is.
And just because a thing has had no apparent bearing on your life does not in any way mean you haven't been affected by it.
Plus that is fairly reductive to say that atheists want you to believe "everything scientific".
The whole point of science (and by extension, scepticism) is to DISPROVE a claim, not simply to provide proof. So a theory must be shown to work under all conceivable conditions before it is accepted as a law.
A classic example of this is our knowledge of thermal exchange, which we once took for granted as fact but now are seeing doesn't apply absolutely.
So, science in fact, does not try to dictate to you a set of laws and theories, but instead is giving you a picture of the universe based on our best current knowledge. Which science is always endeavouring to improve by questioning, exploring, reviewing and amending.
Which religion does not.
And which crackpot theories about taking an organic compound does not.

Understand the fundamentals of science and it isn't a scary boogie man cooked up by big brother.
I understand though, that economic rationalists now have the chokehold on all that is good about humanity and are doing their best to pursue the evil and inane, but even that is up for vigorous debate at the moment and there is a push for governments to fund more "scientific" research and steer away from exploring niche areas for short term economic gain.
Or, as I like to call it, Global Weyland-Yutani.

Sorry my post was in response to PV but you guys got in first.

SPACERITUAL wrote:FLAT OR NOT THE EARTH IS MADE OUT OF BULLSHIT AND YOU ARE ALL PRIMITIVES

Eivind August wrote:

psychic vampire. wrote:See, Terrence McKenna is where i can get on board. Science is absolutely not as neutral as atheists would have us believe; what gets researched, funded, and proven is absolutely in the service of propping up certain pwers and political or social narratives. So some guy wants to say human evolution is a result of eating psilocybin, which is actually an intergalactic spore that traveled here from space on meteors. Sure. i won't say it's definitely correct, or even that i believe it, but why we are the way we are has literally zero bearing on my life and this is as credible as anything science or religions would say.

Actually, a lot of modern science is pretty "out there", you just need to read up on recent developments, not expect mainstream media to be completely up to snuff. Assuming your problem is with the kartesian focus on dead matter. Apart from that, I agree with you. I'm not convinced by McKenna, but that might be partly because of the kind of people who usually cling on to his narrative. People who love drugs sure love to make everything be about drugs.

Drug fuelled minds can't melt logic beams.

These two posts have both nailed it and made my day.

Good post, Iommic.

Edit: Fuck, no, the one above that. Though I do like them all.

Thanks champ.

Anyway, why would anybody want to fool us all into believing that the earth is round? What's to be gained from that?