conky wrote:The first Rat I had I ended up putting the Ruetz mod on a switch so I could keep the stock tones in it too. Took all of about 20 minutes to take it apart, drill the hole, install it and put it all back together again. This one came with a Boss style power supply already on it so that is one less mod for me to fuck with on this one. Depending on where your volume is set (can't remember your settings that you posted right off hand), you can crank it higher and get that gain back... or very close to it. Makes it more stackable to me with the Ruetz mod too.
I looked on Mammoth and they have the LM358 on there and it is listed as a lower gain op amp.
If you got the skills then def do it! Like you said it only takes about 20 minutes. My settings were gain full clockwise, filter full counter clockwise, and volume at about 3:30 (which is just above unity with my setup). I might go ahead and do it as I don't usually use the Rat by its self its usually stacked with my gloomdrive for that insane gain slightly sputtery tone, so if it reduces the gain only slightly but adds some low end back in then it might actually be beneficial.
shit if its slightly lower gain than a LM308 then it might be right up your alley and if the chip is socketed theres no reason not to try it!
Iommic Pope wrote:
Skip, you rule. You hate people so much, you're willing to discredit all human progress, its awesome.
The reason people prefer LM308s in RATs is that it has a poor slew rate. The slew rate of an Op Amp is defined as the maximum rate of change of output voltage per unit of time. So if an amp has poor slew rate that means that at higher frequencies it has trouble reproducing it on the output and tends to skew it a bit. Although that is non-ideal from a general audio perspective when you have a distortion pedal it ends of being favorable. The upper mid and high end signals generated from distorting the signal are slewed together and that smearing effect is pleasing the ear (atleast for most people).
Of course there is always the placebo and confirmation bias affects going on here. If people think there is an LM308 they may just pre-condition themselves to like the sound over the sound of a LM308-less distortion even if both had neither.
It has the ruetz mod. I haven't used the rat in a bit since I have been using the pharaoh and ocd combo, but if I remember right I would use the reutz to help cut down the bite a bit. I also used a lm308. I haven't tried the other ic so I can't comment on that though. The madbean also has a switch to change out the clipping diodes which I really like as you can use leds which are a bit clearer then the normal diodes. I used the same setup on the pharaoh clone although with that one I normally use no diodes rather than the LEDs with the rat clone.
Edit: On the madbean the ruetz mod is a pot rather than a switch which gives you the normal tone on one end and lets you sweep through.
Thanks for the kind words, dudes. We got to celebrate the release of the EP by playing with SAMOTHRACE last night and holy crap. Ho. Lee. Crap. They sounded SO GOOD.
We also parted with our drummer after the show. It was a long, long time coming, but we knew he loved Samothrace so we wanted to let him go out on a high note. Woke up to a series of drunken, nasty texts which reminded all of us why we needed a new drummer in the first place. Sheesh.
deathmonkey wrote:
hmmmm. Rat into ritual is definitely a combo I have not tried yet.
FUGG. Time to give that a shot.
I've been running my kowloon walled bunny into my rat king, and it's become my favorite toanz for a long time now.
I wanna try a KWB. I've had this Ritual for a while but my bassist used it for a while so this is my first time really getting to crank it and get a good feel for it. Definitely gonna stay on my board.
If the real thing is anything like the the pedal skully modded for me (and I assume they're ballpark friends), it is the KWC clean tone.
new05002 wrote:The reason people prefer LM308s in RATs is that it has a poor slew rate. The slew rate of an Op Amp is defined as the maximum rate of change of output voltage per unit of time. So if an amp has poor slew rate that means that at higher frequencies it has trouble reproducing it on the output and tends to skew it a bit. Although that is non-ideal from a general audio perspective when you have a distortion pedal it ends of being favorable. The upper mid and high end signals generated from distorting the signal are slewed together and that smearing effect is pleasing the ear (atleast for most people).
Of course there is always the placebo and confirmation bias affects going on here. If people think there is an LM308 they may just pre-condition themselves to like the sound over the sound of a LM308-less distortion even if both had neither.
That first paragraph just left my dummy of a brain all confuzzled. Honestly though, I can't really recall any difference in the stock opamp and the way it sounded after I put a LM308 in it. I only had the one pedal so I couldn't compare them, but I've seen a video before and couldn't tell the difference. The part is cheap and while I'm gonna be in there putting a switch on the mod, I might as well. If nothing else, it can't hurt the resale value if I decide to flip it later.
D.o.S. wrote:
conky wrote:
deathmonkey wrote:
hmmmm. Rat into ritual is definitely a combo I have not tried yet.
FUGG. Time to give that a shot.
I've been running my kowloon walled bunny into my rat king, and it's become my favorite toanz for a long time now.
I wanna try a KWB. I've had this Ritual for a while but my bassist used it for a while so this is my first time really getting to crank it and get a good feel for it. Definitely gonna stay on my board.
If the real thing is anything like the the pedal skully modded for me (and I assume they're ballpark friends), it is the KWC clean tone.
I have a website now. http://www.electricheatpedals.com/ It's tiny and humble. I didn't write the copy, it was lifted from the Tommy's Guitar Shop website. Anyhow, that was the main stuff I was planning to say today but then I read this:
conky wrote:Single notes and dissonant chording was on the verge of being muddy, but still articulate enough to come through the mix. Stacking the Rat into it helped tighten it up some but it seemed to kill a little more low end than I would like. I think I'm gonna have to Ruetz mod it to get those lows back.
And I really have to recommend an Ape Blaster. Note definition and chord clarity are what it's all about and there's plenty of bass. There are guys on this very forum that can verify these claims. Everybody knows I'm the Ape Blaster guy so I try not to spam out this place. But I've got a hunch that it would get some of you guys closer to where you want to go with the dirt soundz so I decided to speak up today
skullservant wrote:Luckily Ancient they are easy to make!
