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the sanctity of the chip dies with the memory man

you pay for algorithms now and it's generally a question of quality vs. quantity

the "full potential" of the chip is irrelevant imo, at least in these pedals

whitecapsof wrote:now it's generally a question of quality vs. quantity

...ehe...heheh..hhehahaha...MWHAHAHAHA!!!

Particle
Context
BitQuest

Ball is in your court.

I said generally! And quality is almost entirely subjective right? What if I'm not wowed by the Context but I love the Dark Star. It becomes kind of an impossible question, although I will agree that $200 seems steep for what OBNE is putting out. But if it's exactly the sound you're looking for then it's probably worth it.

Also surprised that no one has mentioned Neunaber, the company that makes four pedals any of which can be transformed into any of the others via USB. Kinda makes product branding completely arbitrary

resincum wrote:

lordgalvar wrote:Get a boss dd-500 and make these delays for your self.

this guy gets it

Yes he do, and I'll second that, but, you don't even need a DD500 for most of what the Spin delays and verbs are programmed to do, I don't think. I could be wrong, but I'm mostly seeing fairly standard delay features with some fx insert processing--pitch shifter on the repeat or tail/bit crush/sample rate reduction on the repeat/ring mod...hey!

As far as that goes, most any decent sounding delay with an fx insert or even one with a kill dry/full wet mix stuck into a parallel loop or blender plus whatever tickles your fancy would give you an ultra version of one of the Spin delays. With concomitant powering/real estate and cabling issues of course, but still....


Hell, cheap ass Duncan Deja Vu will do it in spades, give you the choice whether your inserted fx are in the feedback loop (so pitches go up and up and up) or just before (so they stay the same but effect only the repeats) and give you the choice of effecting crispy digi repeats or gooey bbd repeats.

But Seymour Duncan is a grody old dad rocker and the Spin crew is so shiny and new! Oooh--sparkly vampires AND sparkly reverb!

Now, if someone enterprising programmed a Spin V chip to do half of what Clouds does, I'd slow clap. Oh wait, Red Panda double did that already, no? (Not a comment on Dark Star v. Context)

BTW, resincum--the stuff you're doing with the DD500 is a freaking inspiration!

whitecapsof wrote:I said generally! And quality is almost entirely subjective right? What if I'm not wowed by the Context but I love the Dark Star. It becomes kind of an impossible question, although I will agree that $200 seems steep for what OBNE is putting out. But if it's exactly the sound you're looking for then it's probably worth it.

I see where you are coming from. But quality is not the same as preference (subjectivity). To say that the Context/Particle/BitQuest is not a quality pedal is a little bit strange.

Again, I'm not saying that buying from OBNE/Alexander/whatever is stupid or wrong. If you start GASing for a sound (or an image (see Klon)), you should by all means get that pedal if you can afford it. All I'm questioning is, if you put out a delay with three modes and then make another three algo's six months later, why wouldn't you jam all six modes into the next pedal you make? Making a new PCB is not really an excuse, as you can easily charge more and call it "*whatever the first pedal was called* deluxe" or whatever.

That's it. I'll leave you to it. I didn't mean to totally override this thread.

Why couldn't they've put a tone control on the Particle?

Dedicated wet and dry knobs would be nice too. And maybe a preamp.

Particle Deluxe.

But at the same price as a regular Particle.

You guys are being Particle-ular about features.

All I know is I gotta mf-102 in the superego effects loop and I want for nothing

Wait, actually that double fx loop feature on the duncan deja vu sounds amazing.

It would be double amazing if you could use both at the same time, but as it is, still amazing. Every time I get in a cash crunch lately (which is every other week these days merhumblegrumble) I think I need to sell it. Then I look at the prices it fetches and all it can do and I say no fekkin' way....

UglyCasanova wrote:

whitecapsof wrote:I said generally! And quality is almost entirely subjective right? What if I'm not wowed by the Context but I love the Dark Star. It becomes kind of an impossible question, although I will agree that $200 seems steep for what OBNE is putting out. But if it's exactly the sound you're looking for then it's probably worth it.

I see where you are coming from. But quality is not the same as preference (subjectivity). To say that the Context/Particle/BitQuest is not a quality pedal is a little bit strange.

Again, I'm not saying that buying from OBNE/Alexander/whatever is stupid or wrong. If you start GASing for a sound (or an image (see Klon)), you should by all means get that pedal if you can afford it. All I'm questioning is, if you put out a delay with three modes and then make another three algo's six months later, why wouldn't you jam all six modes into the next pedal you make? Making a new PCB is not really an excuse, as you can easily charge more and call it "*whatever the first pedal was called* deluxe" or whatever.

That's it. I'll leave you to it. I didn't mean to totally override this thread.

I don't agree that quality is entirely objective. Preference is just a subjective assessment of quality isn't it? We can say for example that bananas are objectively high quality, being full of valuable nutrients like potassium, and that they are subjectively high quality, being tasty as a motherfucker.

As to how that ties back to the thread the problem I have with the bitquest in particular is that its an incredible accomplishment as a multi-effect but every individual effect on it is ok, or at the very least not very exciting, in my opinion. Playing around with it gets me jazzed about a sound and sends me searching the web for a pedal that does that effect in a way that is very exciting to me. I think that both extremely diverse multi featured boxes like the Bitquest and more focussed pedals like the Mondegreen have a worthwhile role to play in the way we make sounds.

I'm glad that we have both.

This is hilarious. I went from not knowing anything about the Mondegreen (but being intrigued enough by OBNE aesthetic/quality to consider a $200 purchase) to the disappointing "Oh look another spin chip format with a nice enclosure"