New EQD: arrows & afterneath

[Iommic Pope]

$190 is how much an average MXR sized spot on my board is worth in terms of what's would have to be taken off. I'd expect the actual looper to cost somewhere between 30-70 dollars.

I love that you've evaluated the space on your board to the dollar.
Are you a real estate agent?

[01010111]

$190 is how much an average MXR sized spot on my board is worth in terms of what's would have to be taken off. I'd expect the actual looper to cost somewhere between 30-70 dollars.

I love that you've evaluated the space on your board to the dollar.
Are you a real estate agent?

Nope, economist. Total cost = accounting cost + opportunity cost (the value of the forgone alternative) It helps me quantify my decisions when I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy a piece of gear: what would I have to get rid of if I wanted _________ on my board?

[Iommic Pope]

I see.
I never thought I would read an economically rational post on ILF.
(not calling you an economic rationalist either. That's akin to slander and reserved for descriptions of politics and politicians in my country.)

[goroth]

There is however a lot of rationalising of questionable economic decisions on ILF though

[DarkAxel]

Afterneath sounds like a bigger/deeper version of what i did with my Ghost Echo. I think i'm in!

no dude

why would you say something like that... I LOVE MY GHOST ECHO, I NEED THIS

[Iommic Pope]

There is however a lot of rationalising of questionable economic decisions on ILF though

Hahaha! I am definitely guilty of that.
I guess that's why I was a bit surprised when wfs said that.
I'm also surprised nobody jumped in with the obvious, "so get/build a bigger board".

[DarkAxel]

have times of moderation come upon us?

[01010111]

To me everything is economics. I just ate some m&m's and experienced diminishing marginal utility. Awkward moments at stop signs on my bike are game-theoretic moments for me, but I think I've found the optimal strategy to minimize awkwardness.

Getting drunk and climbing on my friend's roof on the fourth of July is an example of a preference that is not independent of irrelevant alternatives. Normally I do not want to climb on the roof, but given the presence of booze my preference about getting on the roof changes. EVERYTHING IS ECONOMICS

[AngryGoldfish]

Dat wizard... Two reverbs might be cool. Because of, uhm, reasons.

Dual/dueling wizards?

Gandalf versus Dumbledore. A space so massively large, it contains the whole of the universe. By using this combination I shall become the sole creator of everything that is and shall be.

Seriously though, are there any perks of having two reverbs? Will it sound great/awesome/grand, or just muddle things up? If it'll only give me two different options, I should probably GAS elsewhere - my board is strictly fuzzez and delays apart from the Supermoon.

I use my amp's reverb, which is more like a hall than a traditional Fender Spring type, and then add lashings of the Ghost Echo to give the bounce and 'cake' when I want moar.

I was mildly annoyed at no trails before watching the demo, but now I'm fucking pissed.

No kidding! I don't intend to offend but this really seems like the opposite of a "no bullshit" reverb, and not having trails really undermines the whole thing. "No bullshit" to me means it's simple and sounds good (like the Hall of Fame mini or Mooer Shimverb or footswitcheable amp reverb). This has complicated and non-intuitive features that would initially confuse most musicians. So, not having trails on the basis of this being a "no bullshit" reverb doesn't make any sense to me.

It sounds great and if it had trails I would buy it. As it is, I'm gonna pass. All delays and reverbs should have trails (especially if they have infinite repeats).

The main problem, as has already been mentioned, is that trails = not true bypass. Now, you may not care. I don't care at all. But a lot of the guitar-pedal-buying public does care, because they've been conditioned over the last decade or so to think that true bypass is good and buffers suck. So making non-true bypass pedals will lose them sales (and probably more sales than not having trails will cost them). I can't kill them over that.

I can imagine there are quite a few people who do not actually know that when a pedal offers a trails function that it adds a buffer to the chain when bypassed. If they're too stupid to know that true-bypass isn't the be-all and end-all, they're stupid enough to not realise that trails means no TB. I'm just guessing there.


For me, the only real 'WTF' for me is no expression pedal control for the detune function. The fact that it's a small knob on the left side is daft to me. I can imagine that being an incredibly fun control to warp on-the-fly, either with an external foot controller or by simply making it a big-ass knob you can manipulate with your feet like you can with the original Ghost. I can get all up in there and move and groove with my feet to get some really unique sounds on-the-fly. When I was listening to the demo I was getting all excited, as I usually am with EQD shit, but then I saw no expression control input jack and totally WTF'ed.

What's the point of continuing the trails discussion? I doubt a redesign is gonna happen at this point.

Because talking is fun. Because it might make a difference in the future. Also, because it's fun. Why else do we talk at all about pedals that currently exist?

[insubordination]

So I went to see Juan Alderete do an EQD demo tonight, but had to leave before he got to the Afterneath or Arrows. I asked him about the Afterneath before he started doing his spiel and he said it was his new favorite EQD pedal, and probably the best one they've made, so there's that. Did hear a little Cloven Hoof on bass, sounded sick.

Also, they had a drawing for an Organizer...which I won, but I had already left so they re-drew. Figures.

But overall it was cool, he obviously has passion for effects and a good understanding of their function and how they interact with each other. Actually the best thing I saw was he looped a riff and was playing with settings on The Depths, and then popped on the Terminal after it, and this little girl looked at her dad with this smiling look of surprise like "oh wow!" Totally awesome.

[neonblack]

Whilst I am also heavily entrenched in the "all delays and verbs be trails equipped" camp, there's still work arounds like trails loops....so a bit of a pain in the arse but not so huge a deal?

What, just like use a looper to make trails?

[OddKnowledge]

Also, they had a drawing for an Organizer...which I won, but I had already left so they re-drew. Figures.

i feel your pain.

[coldbrightsunlight]

ooohhhhh man this sounds nice. Definitely on the wants list for when I get some cash. I do already have 3 reverbs though, so I may have to do some shuffling there...

[DarkAxel]

For some reason, I stopped caring about the Afterneath after I heard the official demo

BUT

for some reason, it really reminded me of Jesu (I was listening to Why Are We Not Perfect and Infinity last night )

[frigid midget]

$190 is how much an average MXR sized spot on my board is worth in terms of what's would have to be taken off. I'd expect the actual looper to cost somewhere between 30-70 dollars.

I love that you've evaluated the space on your board to the dollar.
Are you a real estate agent?

Nope, economist. Total cost = accounting cost + opportunity cost (the value of the forgone alternative) It helps me quantify my decisions when I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy a piece of gear: what would I have to get rid of if I wanted _________ on my board?

Lol that actually makes perfect sense to me. I go by a similar philosophy, but mostly because I sorta need the extra restriction. I'm deadly undecisive, and there's what, 129 billion different pedals out there for each type of effect? Oh yeah, I'm also just not filthy rich.