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HeavyXIII wrote:

dazedbyday wrote:Heavy, I have seen pelican many, many times and it is always great even if the sound is a bit muffled depending upon the venue. I haven't seen them recently though with the new guy. I really liked Pelican's early stuff up to City of Echoes. Starting with city it got more riffy then doomy, but city was still doomy enough for me. I wasn't really into the following album or ep though. The new song they just released on myleane sheath though is pretty cool.

Conky, Russian circles is all bad ass players! The drummer is amazing and I am with you there on trying to get my drummer to listen to a bit more of him to learn a thing or two. And he doesn't play a huge kit like you mentioned, he is just able to accomplish a lot with what he has. There is a really good multi part interview with him on youtube:

Brian Cook the bass player was one of the guys I looked to when I was playing bass to learn from and try and play like. Him and Jeff Caxide from Isis were big guys for me when I was playing bass before I joined the band I am in now. Of course they still probably hold a big sway over how I play though.

I really like all of Pelican's stuff, but I never could jive with City of Echoes for whatever reason. I did really like their second to last release. I hope I hear a little bit of Australasia and The Fire stuff though. I remember my friend turning me onto Russian Circles; when he told me there was one guitarist with a looper All those guys make me value my clean tone, which is why I've been after a boost/fuzz/drive. I do my cleans with a volume pedal, but I can get better ones if I set my amp a little bit cleaner, just a smidge harder to hit the doom riffs.

I remember hearing Caxide's stuff on bass and being real impressed with how he was able I sit in the mix and then jump out in just he right places. Has anybody checked out the Palms stuff with Chino? It's pretty good, even if it does sound a little samey.

I love Pelican so much. I can't remember how I found them years ago, but damned if it wasn't one of the best record store decisions ever. I even got my wife really onto them, its one of the only bands we seem to mutually enjoy hahaha

I really wasn't a fan of their album on Southern Lord, although the EP was a lot better. I just think where they used to be was a really intricate narrative story throughout their albums, whereas the last Pelican album was just slabs, if that makes sense. I think the new guitarist will be a breath of fresh air for them, I just wish they would bring back some of the atmosphere that they used to have, like dazedbyday said. That was what really blew me away about them, how they could seemlessly go between heavy and atmospheric/beautiful all in one song. It opened up a whole new world for me and my view of heavy music. They're such an inspiration

Skull- awesome. Did you build that tap tremolo? How do you like it? I have the pcb incoming and will probably put it on my board to replace what I have now which is an ea trem I build from general guitars. I was planning on building a hummingbird clone but then I found the tap tremolo and with all its waveform options kinda sealed the deal.

Heavy - I dig you on the clean tone and then hitting the fuzz. Thats how I try and run my set up too. It is going to be a bit fuzzier though once I get the head shell for my ormat clone finished though. Hopefully I should have it all together tomorrow but it depends on how the sanding goes and whether I struggle with the tolex or not. I have the new palms vinyl and mp3. It actually sounds better on vinyl to me but whatever. My bandmate really likes it while I settled on cool, but not outstanding. I would really like them to keep playing and writing because I think they could do a lot with what they got. I also always really like Chino's voice. I never got heavy into deft ones but i put them on for a listen every now and then.

My bandmate also pointed me to an interview with palms and the drummer talked about jeff and how a lot of times he plays more like a guitar player as he will player higher up the neck and play more melody passages and so as a drummer he felt that he needed to carry the lowend a bit more. Pretty neat insight.

Yeah I've built up a few of them, I really like them. I'd honestly like to make another, the different wave forms are really, really inspiring on playing and finding new sounds!

skullservant wrote:Yeah I've built up a few of them, I really like them. I'd honestly like to make another, the different wave forms are really, really inspiring on playing and finding new sounds!

Awesome. Thats what I want to hear. I am looking to try and start expanding the sounds I use in my band because I set up the weird effect loop switching with the super ego and I really want to start incorporating that in our writing. The new song we are working on (working title @florida man in honor of the twitter account) has a lot of room for me to use more stuff. So we shall see what I can come up with.

The fire in our throats will beckon the thaw one of my favorite albums for the reasons you described. I love how it can go from heavy to clean and sparkling. The songs really are able to portray a scene or mood very well. There is one song that I really love because it slowly builds and it makes me feel like I'm climbing a glacier and once I reach the top I see the aurora borealis. Its that type of stuff that I hope I can write like some day without sounds like I'm just trying to copy or sound too trite. Thats why I was also a little down on the newer riffy stuff. It is cool, but it doesn't have as much depth so to speak.

Yeah dude! I highly suggest adding the multiply footswtich as well, it's a pretty great feature!

And yeah dude. The DEPTH is what I miss! Even their first EP, although mostly riffy, still had a bit of atmosphere. Even if they got back to that point!!

Dan - awesome on you learning covers!!! I think it will really help you broaden your musical ability as well as help you get more bar gigs!!

Jason - Fuck yeah on the RC track!!! I loved those guys since the first album, the drummer is an inspirational beast! The guitarist is what got me into looping and his tones are just sick! and Brian Cook?!??! Once of the best bass players ever, his ability to know when to be there and when not to be and the tones to use when doing so is unrivaled!

LTG - That Mesa combo is sick!!!! Now you can pull off all those Phish tones you've been chasing!!!

Samz - Thanks for the comp update!!! It's the last piece of my puzzle is a good comp and I'm really thinking of the PT for my rig, its got the controls I want, the layout I want, and luckily because of my analness about power conditioning very few pedals are noisy in my setup so I think it will be a good fit as gear really is rig dependent.

As far as Pelican, I've loved them for a long time but fell out of touch. I discovered them at the same time as RC and at the time I was playing drums in bands so naturally i stuck to RC like glue but Pelican's drummer kind irked me in a weird way. And after two or three albums with minimal improvement I lost interest. I may have to go back and revisit their catalog.

Iommic Pope wrote:It just killed my amp....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Man that sux. I hope it's just one of the little tubes like you were thinking. Keep us posted!

And dingdang, that Mesa combo/stack is HOT

Have I linked up the Wounded Giant in here before? Anyway, I might go see them tonight. My buddy's also sitting in on drums for Electric Falcons around the block so maybe I'll try to do double duty?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msndwAzGrWA[/youtube]

^^ what AA said
We're talking about adding in a few covers too. Ryder wants to do Hot for teacher which would be a total departure from everything else we do, I think it'd be fun and a kinda lighthearted change up that we could throw out there every now and then. So I was fooling around with it last night and starting to get the intro and main riff down. I am NOT a tapping kinda guy, kinda cool to try out a different technique though.

What is that warbly chorus / flanger pedal he's using during the intro? It reminds me of some of Stevie Floyd's stuff on the DC albums and I've always wondered what that was. I thought it was a combo of modulation pedals but he seems to just step on and off of one pedal.

My bandmate really dislikes Pelican because of the drummer, Skip. The drummer does have some timing issues and he doesn't have the best fills but he certainly gets done what needs to be done. And brian cook is one of the best bass players out there. And with no ego too. Like you said he knows when he needs to lay back and when to come forward. No guitar envy for lack of a better term about wanting to be in the spot light all the time Caxide does that type of stuff well too, floating to the front and back.

Skull, youre right on that first album, But even mammoth, the heaviest and most simple of the songs still had a better feeling to me. But stuff like forest (i think thats the name) have awesome atmosphere.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:What is that warbly chorus / flanger pedal he's using during the intro? It reminds me of some of Stevie Floyd's stuff on the DC albums and I've always wondered what that was. I thought it was a combo of modulation pedals but he seems to just step on and off of one pedal.

I'll see if I can spot it tonight. That dude cracks me up. He keeps his modest little board inside of a standard sized diamond plate toolbox. He then leaves the toolbox in front of his board and plays 90% of the set with his foot up on the toolbox. That's class!

Ancient Astronaught wrote:Dan - awesome on you learning covers!!! I think it will really help you broaden your musical ability as well as help you get more bar gigs!!

Jason - Fuck yeah on the RC track!!! I loved those guys since the first album, the drummer is an inspirational beast! The guitarist is what got me into looping and his tones are just sick! and Brian Cook?!??! Once of the best bass players ever, his ability to know when to be there and when not to be and the tones to use when doing so is unrivaled!

LTG - That Mesa combo is sick!!!! Now you can pull off all those Phish tones you've been chasing!!!

Samz - Thanks for the comp update!!! It's the last piece of my puzzle is a good comp and I'm really thinking of the PT for my rig, its got the controls I want, the layout I want, and luckily because of my analness about power conditioning very few pedals are noisy in my setup so I think it will be a good fit as gear really is rig dependent.

As far as Pelican, I've loved them for a long time but fell out of touch. I discovered them at the same time as RC and at the time I was playing drums in bands so naturally i stuck to RC like glue but Pelican's drummer kind irked me in a weird way. And after two or three albums with minimal improvement I lost interest. I may have to go back and revisit their catalog.

Mate...i am almost 100% sure that the PT i had was faulty, it was obvious the one i got was one that had already been returned once...but in the end I think I've just got to a point where I'm sticking with what i have as every other comp hasn't wowed me into giving up my one. But yes...Rig makes a huge difference...and with your rig, i would say most things would sound good regardless!

dazedbyday wrote:My bandmate really dislikes Pelican because of the drummer, Skip. The drummer does have some timing issues and he doesn't have the best fills but he certainly gets done what needs to be done. And brian cook is one of the best bass players out there. And with no ego too. Like you said he knows when he needs to lay back and when to come forward. No guitar envy for lack of a better term about wanting to be in the spot light all the time Caxide does that type of stuff well too, floating to the front and back.

The drumming on the albums isnt horrible it just at times seemed amateur, what got me was when he started adding even more drums. Like he was trying to be Terry Bozzio. he went from like a 7 piece kit to an 11 or 13 piece kit in the live videos and it seemed to hinder him more then help him.

D-Day wrote:I'll see if I can spot it tonight. That dude cracks me up. He keeps his modest little board inside of a standard sized diamond plate toolbox. He then leaves the toolbox in front of his board and plays 90% of the set with his foot up on the toolbox. That's class!

Thanks bud! I know you'll def have a good vantage point to see it! and the tool box idea is pretty awesome!!!

samzadgan wrote:Mate...i am almost 100% sure that the PT i had was faulty, it was obvious the one i got was one that had already been returned once...but in the end I think I've just got to a point where I'm sticking with what i have as every other comp hasn't wowed me into giving up my one. But yes...Rig makes a huge difference...and with your rig, i would say most things would sound good regardless!

Ahhh okay I gotcha, I've been watching em on eBay and I can easily score one for under a 100$. Hopefully I don't get a faulty one someone's trying to unload on an unwitting buyer. And thanks bud!!! If my rig can make a 75$ dearmond sound amazing, then just about anything should hahahahaha

louderthangod wrote:Trying to downsize to fit my new band. Pedalboard(s) is still huge but I need to cut some volume while maintaing headroom and low-end (has a pair of EV's). It's a blue stripe Mark III so I can get most of those IIC+ tones. It's not at all doom but I guess neither is my new project even though it flirts with it once in awhile.

Love those old Mesa/Boogie amps.

HeavyXIII wrote:

dazedbyday wrote:Heavy, I have seen pelican many, many times and it is always great even if the sound is a bit muffled depending upon the venue. I haven't seen them recently though with the new guy. I really liked Pelican's early stuff up to City of Echoes. Starting with city it got more riffy then doomy, but city was still doomy enough for me. I wasn't really into the following album or ep though. The new song they just released on myleane sheath though is pretty cool.

Conky, Russian circles is all bad ass players! The drummer is amazing and I am with you there on trying to get my drummer to listen to a bit more of him to learn a thing or two. And he doesn't play a huge kit like you mentioned, he is just able to accomplish a lot with what he has. There is a really good multi part interview with him on youtube:

Brian Cook the bass player was one of the guys I looked to when I was playing bass to learn from and try and play like. Him and Jeff Caxide from Isis were big guys for me when I was playing bass before I joined the band I am in now. Of course they still probably hold a big sway over how I play though.

I really like all of Pelican's stuff, but I never could jive with City of Echoes for whatever reason. I did really like their second to last release. I hope I hear a little bit of Australasia and The Fire stuff though. I remember my friend turning me onto Russian Circles; when he told me there was one guitarist with a looper All those guys make me value my clean tone, which is why I've been after a boost/fuzz/drive. I do my cleans with a volume pedal, but I can get better ones if I set my amp a little bit cleaner, just a smidge harder to hit the doom riffs.

I remember hearing Caxide's stuff on bass and being real impressed with how he was able I sit in the mix and then jump out in just he right places. Has anybody checked out the Palms stuff with Chino? It's pretty good, even if it does sound a little samey.

Pelican was one of the first Post-Metal bands I had ever heard. I never liked them especially, but I did listen to a couple of their records (Australasia and City of Echoes) for a while. I don't seem to have them on my computer any more—and I copied them from my old bassists CD collection—but I don't particularly miss them when there are so many solid instrumental bands to choose from. It was around 2006 when I first heard them. It was quite an eye-opening experience, even though I went on to find far 'better' Sludge bands and rarely listened to Pelican after that. For instance, that new Russian Circles song is wicked. It's a little heavier than Empros.

im still gonna push that p.tone on ya
i get the gnarliest heaviest playable sounds
just below all out crushed fuzz
with he p.tone and an o.d.
i am havin an issue with it though
and its more of my signal chain than a defect
in some combos when i hit it i get vol drop
badascan-pt=ok
electric brown-pt = ok
badascan- e.b.-pt = weak
i cant tell you how dripingly good it sounds
but all three on i get a drop
pts vol and blend always maxed
any ideas

oh and. spent a little eq time
with my rig before jams last night
dialed everyhing in like sweet lah
when those two ams collide
fuck od detuned on one side
and badascan p.tone on the other
its just like what the fuck heavy
like inside a garbage compactor at the dump
every bit of earspace is being hammered