Hardcore

waltdogg · Post by **waltdogg** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:16 am

ITT: Labeling metalcore infused pop punk as post-hardcore and hardcore.

Strange Tales · Post by **Strange Tales** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:09 am

I never liked Aussitot Mort, but I never listened to them after Montuenega. Did they ever get better?

Early Envy was so fucking good. I mean, the majority of Envy is really fucking good besides like their first release and after A Dead Sinking Story up to Recitation (Recitation has a few incredible tracks on it though). Band has a lifetime pass though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS2Ut2_f0Zk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q5jO678Qz4[/youtube]

Shit even their new album is still killing it. The riff at the beginning of this song is fucking awesome.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUaoRaC3vK4[/youtube]

Strange Tales · Post by **Strange Tales** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:33 am

Also, Swamp Thing shows in Richmond were fucking insane. This whole song is HARD AS FUCK.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7yYFBYPyg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA7gUBUIDhk[/youtube]

daseb · Post by **daseb** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:50 am

I fell asleep during Envy when I saw them

Strange Tales · Post by **Strange Tales** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:11 am

What year was the show? If it was during the Insomniac Doze/Abyssal/Jesu Split years I'm not gonna blame you at all.

odontophobia · Post by **odontophobia** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:57 am

Strange Tales wrote:I never liked Aussitot Mort, but I never listened to them after Montuenega. Did they ever get better?

Early Envy was so fucking good. I mean, the majority of Envy is really fucking good besides like their first release and after A Dead Sinking Story up to Recitation (Recitation has a few incredible tracks on it though). Band has a lifetime pass though.

I really love the Mort album I posted not sure if it's going to change your mind on the subject though.

Definitely a lot of hardcore influence in the early Envy stuff. I realize you've given them a pass but I straight up enjoy everything they've put out. Not being able to see them on this tour (because I'll be in Phoenix when they're in the Midwest) blows.

casecandy · Post by **casecandy** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:16 am

waltdogg wrote:ITT: Labeling metalcore infused pop punk as post-hardcore and hardcore.

ITT: labelling post-hardcore as post-hardcore. You are the one getting genres wrong here. Melodic hardcore, not pop-punk. Songwriting, melody, and production value do not a pop-punk band make. Most Canadian heavy bands that pass a certain threshold of popularity take that route (cf. Protest The Hero, Billy Talent, Boys Night Out, Moneen, Grade; all respected, all were very "punk"/DIY, all sound(ed) polished).

odontophobia wrote:Definitely a lot of hardcore influence in the early Envy stuff. I realize you've given them a pass but I straight up enjoy everything they've put out.

Envy blur genres, and it would be fair to categorize them a lot of different ways, but honestly I think if they weren't from Japan, and were in a more recognizable "screamo" scene in America or Europe, based on their music people would just call them screamo. I fucking love Envy. But I have my head up my ass so.

untilshewokeme · Post by **untilshewokeme** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:01 am

Can we take a minute and talk about the under appreciated sub genres of hardcore

Pirate-core:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU0NT_FxEKc[/youtube]

Ninentdo-core:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVWjdP1oL44[/youtube]

And whatever the fuck BL13RE was:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oanjxrlAvxs[/youtube]

BoatRich · Post by **BoatRich** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:06 am

Strange Tales wrote:Also, Swamp Thing shows in Richmond were fucking insane. This whole song is HARD AS FUCK.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7yYFBYPyg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA7gUBUIDhk[/youtube]

Swamp Thing is fucking blistering. I'm so bummed they broke up before I moved here.

Also, did you post Ten Grand? This is such an incredible album. One of the most interesting things I've heard in a while.

https://vicexnyhc.bandcamp.com/ this EP is really heavy, I'm digging a lot of the sludgier hardcore stuff that's been coming out lately. Hopefully I'll be starting a blackened hardcore project in the next couple of weeks.

odontophobia · Post by **odontophobia** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:10 am

casecandy wrote:
waltdogg wrote:ITT: Labeling metalcore infused pop punk as post-hardcore and hardcore.
ITT: labelling post-hardcore as post-hardcore. You are the one getting genres wrong here. Melodic hardcore, not pop-punk. Songwriting, melody, and production value do not a pop-punk band make. Most Canadian heavy bands that pass a certain threshold of popularity take that route (cf. Protest The Hero, Billy Talent, Boys Night Out, Moneen, Grade; all respected, all were very "punk"/DIY, all sound(ed) polished).

odontophobia wrote:Definitely a lot of hardcore influence in the early Envy stuff. I realize you've given them a pass but I straight up enjoy everything they've put out.
Envy blur genres, and it would be fair to categorize them a lot of different ways, but honestly I think if they weren't from Japan, and were in a more recognizable "screamo" scene in America or Europe, based on their music people would just call them screamo. I fucking love Envy. But I have my head up my ass so.

Early Envy has its tendrils more in hardcore than it does any of the ambient stuff of their more recent outputs.

Strange Tales · Post by **Strange Tales** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:19 am

BoatRich wrote: Swamp Thing is fucking blistering. I'm so bummed they broke up before I moved here.

Also, did you post Ten Grand? This is such an incredible album. One of the most interesting things I've heard in a while.

https://vicexnyhc.bandcamp.com/ this EP is really heavy, I'm digging a lot of the sludgier hardcore stuff that's been coming out lately. Hopefully I'll be starting a blackened hardcore project in the next couple of weeks.

I only got to see them once, but when I did, woah boy.

Yea, Ten Grand is the best! They were called The Vidablue before, but some dudes from Phish bought the name from them for... you guessed it, $10000.

The breakdown on the first song on this album is so fucking good.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH1cOLCSgwY[/youtube]

RIP to Matt Davis. Never met him and I'm bummed I never will. I have never heard a bad story about the guy though, and thats from people all over the world.

Strange Tales · Post by **Strange Tales** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:37 am

Ohhhh, I forgot about this band off the top of my head. Newish hardcore band from Tokyo called Young Lizard.

Still a couple copies of the demo tape available here: http://meatcube.storenvy.com/products/9 ... 3-cassette

BoatRich · Post by **BoatRich** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:45 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KroTrLMb7zs[/youtube]
Newish (broken up) YouthCrew from Fl

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbA1kbeQjbI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnNoznhP8pg[/youtube]

BoatRich · Post by **BoatRich** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:47 am

https://gardens831.bandcamp.com/
Also heard about these dudes in the doom room and they're fucking rad. An ILFer might be a member?

BoatRich · Post by **BoatRich** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:54 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnIeUWnDgE[/youtube]

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