Prymaxe Vintage sucks, but let's talk about food too! :)

[hollowhero]

I hate flipping. I'm a hoarder.

I'm in the same boat. My board has been set for a few months now... I just swap out the fuzzes for different ones to suit my mood

[Bassist_Diver]

So I've never ordered anything from Prymaxe and haven't really watched any of their demos. But it seems that they

A. fuck up orders,
B. suck at refunds and returns,
C. will "forget" to even send orders, and
D. apparently were responsible for killing Little Foot's mom and helped fund Sarah Palin's presidential campaign.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's best to avoid them.

[AngryGoldfish]

They killed Little Foot's mum?!

[ryan summit]

So I've never ordered anything from Prymaxe and haven't really watched any of their demos. But it seems that they

A. fuck up orders,
B. suck at refunds and returns,
C. will "forget" to even send orders, and
D. apparently were responsible for killing Little Foot's mom and helped fund Sarah Palin's presidential campaign.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's best to avoid them.

i got something from them last year
before all this crazy
nothing but quick,professional,and packaged nicely
they fucked over our friends
thats reason enough for me

[insubordination]

PSA in case anyone cares: Prymaxe is having a huge 30% off clearance: http://www.prymaxevintage.com/clearance/

Tons of stuff including Mid-Fi, Creepy Fingers and even the new Jext Telez pedals? Weird. Between this and losing Mike Hermans to PGS, I'm guessing our friends are having some problems, but, that's just speculation.

Anyway, caveat emptor considering this thread. Buy stuff from b/s/t first.

[Ugly Nora]

Well I caved and bought 3 pedals.

[Jwar]

I looked. Fuck them. hahaha

I'm not buying anything.

[D.o.S.]

Well I caved and bought 3 pedals.

That new cave is where your heart used to be.

[univalve]

Some People Love cheap.

[Ugly Nora]

Well I caved and bought 3 pedals.

That new cave is where your heart used to be.

In all fairness, I've always been a dick.

[Casavettes]

what'd ya get anyway

[zRobertez]

3 Deans.

[Ugly Nora]

3 Deans.

I wish.

[01010111]

I decided to move the discussion here. It seems that Prymax's bad reputation is still in dispute.

But what if your favorite builder cannot build anymore because he don't make money?

Here are my thoughts on the Prymaxe issue:

1. I agree with all the points in the anti-prymaxe threads. They are aggressive to say the least. Business isn't pretty. Unfortunately this is the world today.

2. I don't see how Prymaxe discounting things heavily all year around is any different than Amazon discounting things heavily all year around. But I don't think I have ever seen anyone complain about Amazon's low prices. And I guarantee Amazon is responsible for more small companies (and large companies) going out of business due to their aggressive pricing than Prymaxe ever will be.

3. A builder makes more money on a pedal that someone buys at a discount on Prymaxe than they do when a person buys a used pedal off of ebay or in the B/S/T.

4. If selling things on Prymaxe is bad for the builder, why does the builder sell their stuff there? They obviously are seeing a benefit from selling on Prymaxe. I have said before in one of those long threads that the builders should sort of unionize and agree not to sell their stuff at Prymaxe. This will either force Prymaxe out of business or force them to rethink how they treat builders, or make make them sell just boring everyday stuff that has mass market appeal. Either way, the outcome would be bad for Prymaxe's bottom line.

Moreover, if the builder continues to sell on Prymaxe despite any misgivings they have about the discounts, then it is not fair to blame the consumer for taking advantage of the discount that is being offered. That is a double standard. It seems people here want the consumers to take a high moral ground, while the builder themselves are not taking the same ground. There are some builders that sell on Prymaxe that don't allow discounts. So, obviously they have an issue with the discounts. But wouldn't a better response from a high moral ground standpoint be to completely pull their products from Prymaxe to hurt Prymaxe and hopefully make them think twice about selling other builder's pedals at a discount? See what I am saying? A builder like that is trying to have their cake and eat it too and obviously doesn't care about the other builders. Why is that caring responsibility dumped on the consumers' shoulders only?

5. I am hungry and am going to go eat.

Point by poin because this stuff really riles me up:

1. If you agree then you should realize that your subsequent points have already been addressed in this thread. It's not the way businesses are, businesses respond to consumer behaviour. If we make it clear that we value paying people an honest wage for their work, then businesses will respond in kind. If we make it clear that we value racism/fascism/hate/violence businesses would, and have in the past, incorporated those values into their business practices.

2. It's not different. That doesn't make Prymaxe or Amazon any better.

3. This is a problem any builder faces. Their product has to compete, not only against the products of fellow builders, but with their own used products. By offering a permanent 15% discount, however, they further reduce the builder's profits.

4. Builders entering the market are naive, and don't fully understand what doing business with Prymaxe vintage means. Prymaxe, due to their immoral pricing strategy, has obtained a huge market share. Builders want to sell their products, so the try to get them to the stores that have the largest customer base, i.e. Prymaxe Vintage and the like. By the time they realize what's up, it's too late. Prymaxe has already devalued their product to the point where the only reasonable decision is to stop building,

Builders don't have to do what's right for other builders. There're morals, but there's also eating. If they can get prymaxe to sell their product sans markdown, that's their best strategy. Unfortunately that's not something they usually let builders do. It's up to the consumers because WE are what ultimately determine what gets done. If builders put pressure on Prymaxe and somehow fix Prymaxe, there's still a niche in the market to be filled by a seller with the same bad business practices.

5. I hope it was good

[Ugly Nora]

Point by poin because this stuff really riles me up:

1. If you agree then you should realize that your subsequent points have already been addressed in this thread. It's not the way businesses are, businesses respond to consumer behaviour. If we make it clear that we value paying people an honest wage for their work, then businesses will respond in kind. If we make it clear that we value racism/fascism/hate/violence businesses would, and have in the past, incorporated those values into their business practices.

2. It's not different. That doesn't make Prymaxe or Amazon any better.

3. This is a problem any builder faces. Their product has to compete, not only against the products of fellow builders, but with their own used products. By offering a permanent 15% discount, however, they further reduce the builder's profits.

4. Builders entering the market are naive, and don't fully understand what doing business with Prymaxe vintage means. Prymaxe, due to their immoral pricing strategy, has obtained a huge market share. Builders want to sell their products, so the try to get them to the stores that have the largest customer base, i.e. Prymaxe Vintage and the like. By the time they realize what's up, it's too late. Prymaxe has already devalued their product to the point where the only reasonable decision is to stop building,

Builders don't have to do what's right for other builders. There're morals, but there's also eating. If they can get prymaxe to sell their product sans markdown, that's their best strategy. Unfortunately that's not something they usually let builders do. It's up to the consumers because WE are what ultimately determine what gets done. If builders put pressure on Prymaxe and somehow fix Prymaxe, there's still a niche in the market to be filled by a seller with the same bad business practices.

5. I hope it was good

It is not that I really want to or care to defend Prymaxe, I just enjoy pointing out the flaw in the logic that some people have. I like to play devils advocate.

To summarize my thoughts:

1. That's cute you think that way.

2. If Amazon is no better than Prymaxe, why do people who boycott Prymaxe buy stuff on Amazon? Where is the outcry about Amazon?

3. If buying used reduces a builder's profits, why does a person who boycotts Prymaxe because they reduce a builder's profits buy used pedals which completely eliminates the builders profits? Where is the outcry about buying used?

4. Sorry, but I don't follow this logic. Tom said when he stopped selling at Prymaxe, his sales went up.

Further, I agree that a builder must eat, and shouldn't have to worry about another builder. But, don't I have to eat too? And why if a builder doesn't have to worry about another builder, why do I as a consumer have to? Why is it my responsibility to be the big man when the builder themselves won't step up? If all of the Prymaxe builders pulled their products from Prymaxe, it would hurt Prymaxe. Prymaxe can only sell what builders give them. If builders don't give them anything, they can't sell anything. Boom.

5. Dinner was great. I don't know if you recall a thread awhile back about my Flickinger Reverb tank which turned into a discussion about vegetables....but my garden is still producing and I had a salad last night with some tomatoes and habanero peppers from my garden. Yum. Here are some of my peppers. There are habanero and ghost peppers there.