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Pepe wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:25 pm Instant success! The Schaller Fuzz is alive again, and it sounds great. I have yet to compare it with other fuzzes in the next days. It sounds quite rough at low Intensität settings with a quickly decaying distortion sound, but fully cranked it really sings with lots of sustain and a light octave-up fuzz. It has a lot of headroom, apparently because of the pickups with low volume back then. Power chords result in very hard and thick distortion, suitable for heavy rock. The Schaller Tonverzerrer is definitely a keeper! :D
Does it sound anything like this Kent fuzz that Tom Cram made this clip of?
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Seance wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:46 am Does it sound anything like this Kent fuzz that Tom Cram made this clip of?
In this audio clip and in the DutchGuitarDude video I cannot really recognize the pure sound of my Schaller fuzz. Kent used an UA Ruby '63 after it, the Dutch guy an overdriven BOSS Katana amp. I hear similarities, but I'm pretty certain that I have the older circuit. It has a different response to my MIJ Fender Stratocaster than the pedal of the DutchGuitarDude, who says that the pedal was from 1967. His unit with two lens head scres isn't, I'm sure. Rather 1969/70.

A Swiss seller at Reverb sold his unit a few months ago. It looks very much like mine, apart from the grey battery clip:
https://reverb.com/item/81766667-schall ... -1960-1970
He wrote that the sound was "super spitty, primitive, gritty, just f*cking badass!" - that's how I would describe mine as well.
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That's so weird, seeing a pedal with your name on it in a font that is pretty similiar to your own handwriting. I guess I should own one?
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Yes, you should.
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i actually saw one of those in the used sub-building of Guitar Showcase in San Jose back in the 00s. i don't know why i didn't buy it, or the red-knob Expandora i also tried back then.
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Wow that schaller is mega cool!!! :excellent:
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Pepe wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:17 am
A Swiss seller at Reverb sold his unit a few months ago. It looks very much like mine, apart from the grey battery clip:
https://reverb.com/item/81766667-schall ... -1960-1970
He wrote that the sound was "super spitty, primitive, gritty, just f*cking badass!" - that's how I would describe mine as well.
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That's so weird, seeing a pedal with your name on it in a font that is pretty similiar to your own handwriting. I guess I should own one?
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Also... this Schaller Bow Wow Yoy Yoy is available in cheap Canadian dollars from a guitar shop in Ottawa (this is the same store that had the Kent fuzz) for C $179.

https://www.spacemanmusic.com/product/s ... w-yoy-yoy/
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BOW WOW YOY YOY
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dubkitty wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:37 pm BOW WOW YOY YOY
Yep.
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the YOY function vaguely reminds me of the Street Sweeper, which i have on the shelf but haven’t thought of in eons.
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I did a lot of research in the last few days. I am now absolutely certain that my Schaller TV 66/67 "Tonverzerrer" must have been made in the first months of production. This pedal is from 1966 or 1967! Apparently it has never been opened. It still contained the very first battery (non-leaking) and this one had no clip - it was directly soldered to the circuit. This user-unfriendly method cannot have been the standard procedure for a very long time. The potentiometers are from DRALOWID ("Drahtlose Widerstände", engl.: wireless resistors) in Berlin, a company that was closed in 1970. The Germanium transistors (labelled "A T E S AC192") are from the Italian company Ates Componenti Elettronici (not TES Tecnica Elettronica System as I thought at first).

Yesterday I tested the Tonverzerrer against a few of my fuzz pedals. Sound-wise it shares the most with the Keio (pre-KORG) Synthesizer Traveler, a huge pedal with wah-like treadle from 1973 that has fuzz, lowpass filter and a "singing" function. The fuzz of this Keio unit sounds very similar, but very noisy in comparison. The second closest match was the DingoTone CSF Classic Seventies Fuzz with silicon transistors, which is a tribute to the '70s Fuzz Face with silicon transistors.

So the Schaller Tonverzerrer is clearly a German variant of the Fuzz Face. It sounds more choppy and has less sustain, but it is significantly brighter and very gritty with a lot of bite. A very rough basic sound with the ability to easily produce deep and smashing heavy rock power chords. It has enormous amount of headroom. It gets really loud on demand, obviously to support the weak sounding pickups of the cheap guitars from that era. The noise performance is surprisingly good. Schaller offered a high-quality pedal with the TV 66/67.

The big switch doesn't really provide true bypass switching, although it looks as if it could route the input signal to the output without quality loss. But the basic guitar sound gets altered a lot without a buffered pedal in front or after it. It sound really "vintage" and somehow makes my Japanese Fender Stratocaster sound like a guitar from the early '70s. Well, I don't like that too much. But with a buffered pedal in the chain the guitar sound is normal again.

This early circuit doesn't handle the Fuzz Face-typical trick with the guitar's volume knob too well. It doesn't clean up as good. Later Schaller fuzzes with silicon transistors do, though. Maybe also the later revised versions with Germanium transistors that were made around 1969 until 1971. Actually I like my model the most with a buffered pedal in front. This way the Intensität knob has a much wider operating range and the overall performance is better in my opinion: less distorted sounds can be achieved more easily, it increases the sustain and it handles the individual pickups better than with the guitar directly plugged into the input. Otherwise only the combinations of my single coils lead to good results.

This pedal is really, really good. Definitely a keeper! Not least because it is one of the very first European distortion pedals. I have never had an older piece of electrical music gear in my hands. This one stays with me for sure! :)

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... and it looks fantastic as well! :love:
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Yes, it cleaned up quite nicely. It's almost sixty years old! I have to show pictures of my big Schaller Rotor Sound in the coming weeks, which seems to be from around 1966 as well. I received that one last summer, but I haven't shown any pics, since I want to modify it to achieve slower phasing rates.
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the Gen Loss Mk II arrived. i decided to test it out at the end of the main board and it's pretty good. it doesn't get the super-saturated thing that the T-120 did, but i think that running the So High So Low in front of it should be just the ticket. the combination of the two saturations should be deep, dirty, and distant, and i have plenty of other fidelity-reduction options as well. later on today i'll put it on the FEB and figure out how to arrange things. i should probably put the Octave Multiplexer on there too since there's room and it's an essential part of the loops.

addendum: turns out that the "Classic" mode--the original Gen Loss version--does do the saturated thing. this should be fun to use once i figure it out.
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