POLITICS: what have you done for us lately?

[Sonaboy]

Hilary uses dirty tactics too and I think she's a disgusting human being. Look at what the DNC did to Bernie. Just kicked him to the curb since she has all the super delegates in her pocket/on her payroll. We all know it's true. She's just as evil as Trump and /snip

UUUUUUGH.
Stop it. Bernie Bro conspiracy talk is so fucking tired.

[Chankgeez]

Well, it's natural considering some Democrats considered him an interloper in their party. Some bias did exist.

[Jwar]

Hilary uses dirty tactics too and I think she's a disgusting human being. Look at what the DNC did to Bernie. Just kicked him to the curb since she has all the super delegates in her pocket/on her payroll. We all know it's true. She's just as evil as Trump and /snip

UUUUUUGH.
Stop it. Bernie Bro conspiracy talk is so fucking tired.

I hardly see it as conspiracy talk. Conspiracies are generally not true.

[jirodreamsofdank]

Also, WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY RAISING HOLY HELL OVER THE FACT THAT THE MUELLER SUMMARY FLAT OUT CONFIRMS RUSSIA INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION?! Stop moping about there not being any evidence to impeach Trump, put on your big boy and girl pants, and do your jobs to prevent Russia from pulling this shit again! Because I can promise you they are still actively hacking our systems and working on how to fuck with us next year.

/former federal employee who was hacked by Russia twice (and China and DPRK once a piece) in my first year working for the agency.

This is where the line gets muddy - "actively hacking our systems" makes it sound like they were changing vote totals. They weren't. The threats to our democracy are, and always have been, internal. Voter suppression, the Electoral College itself, the capital class.

The Russians bought a bunch of Facebook ads for stupid people and had a negligible effect on the outcome of the election. Even the DNC hacks amounted to little: if not for Anthony Weiner via Huma Abedin's laptop, there would have been no Comey letter that actually swung the election.

Election influence is the way of the world - we've done it across the globe from Italy to Chile to Venezuela to Russia itself. The solutions are political, not legal or foreign policy-related.

[dubkitty]

i don't think the report--if we ever get to see what's in it rather than a summary written by a Trump-appointed apparatchik--settles the "collusion" question by a long shot. it's clear that there were millions of dollars of dirty Russian money shovelled into the 2018 campaign, particularly through the NRA and likely through other TrumpCo dealings as well. but i never thought Mueller was going to get rid of Trump anyway...we're going to have to do that ourselves, and then try to root out the stuff that allowed him to happen like a cancerous lymph node.

[Gone Fission]

Ah, the categorically false 2016 Dem primary conspiracy B.S. again. Bernie lost because he lost. Bernie was the one lobbying the superdelegates at the end, and if they all abstained, he would have still lost. Fuck, it’s a waste of time to even engage with this bullshit this much again.

How about they work on something like Health Care Reform instead of wasting on this energy on this shit? Or, I dunno, get ready for the next election and have someone who can actually take Trump out.

It's like they play right into his hands.

Ahem: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... l-march-26

[Gone Fission]

i don't think the report--if we ever get to see what's in it rather than a summary written by a Trump-appointed apparatchik--settles the "collusion" question by a long shot. it's clear that there were millions of dollars of dirty Russian money shovelled into the 2018 campaign, particularly through the NRA and likely through other TrumpCo dealings as well. but i never thought Mueller was going to get rid of Trump anyway...we're going to have to do that ourselves, and then try to root out the stuff that allowed him to happen like a cancerous lymph node.

Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. And there just isn’t quite enough evidence of criminal conspiracy with a foreign regime to say it definitely happened. Well, not directly connecting the campaign to the Russian government. Barr’s letter should be read with the view that he is s smart lawyer and he’s Shitshow’s lawyer. The full report will reveal how well it is crafted to minimize damage. (Notice that the abundant quotes are not of full sentences. Hmm.)

It’s interesting that Barr defined down obstruction as requiring an underlying crime that needs to be covered up. It doesn’t.

[Jwar]

Ah, the categorically false 2016 Dem primary conspiracy B.S. again. Bernie lost because he lost. Bernie was the one lobbying the superdelegates at the end, and if they all abstained, he would have still lost. Fuck, it’s a waste of time to even engage with this bullshit this much again.

How about they work on something like Health Care Reform instead of wasting on this energy on this shit? Or, I dunno, get ready for the next election and have someone who can actually take Trump out.

It's like they play right into his hands.

Ahem: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... l-march-26

I'm sorry you see talking to me as a waste of time but I have very little care for that nonsense.


What I find amusing is that so many Democrats could believe collusion with Trump but couldn't believe Hillary rigged anything on any level or that the numbers were skewed in a similar fashion as Trump. How would we know? Because an internet site tells us or because there's a report with the numbers online. Uh huh. That's why they had to recount FL 3-4 time when W won because nothing is ever rigged unless it's with the RNC involved.

Not saying that you are directly saying that, but I find it kind of naive to not question or to just accept the governments lies. They are lying sacks of shit who don't really give a fuck about us.

Glad they are working on some kind or health care reform. I'll believe it when it actually rolls out and helps people unlike the fucking bullshit we have now.



For the record, I would not have EVER voted for Bernie or Hillary. I'm not a democrat.

[Chankgeez]

For the record, I would not have EVER voted for Bernie or Hillary. I'm not a democrat.

Neither is Bernie.

[Jwar]

For the record, I would not have EVER voted for Bernie or Hillary. I'm not a democrat.

Neither is Bernie.

Yea but he was running as a Democrat about half way through. He didn't have a chance as an independent.

[Sonaboy]

Bernie Messiah Conspiracy - so lame.
HRC didn't "rig" shit. The DNC is a private entity that raises money to promote agreed upon Dem candidates - full stop. As far as how things work inside, it's up to the brass. You keep going back to this idea that they just ignored primaries. That's fucking garbage. They understood that Bernie simply declared "I'm a Dem" because it was the only way to get on the ballots in all 50 states. He's a carpetbagger. He re-registered himself as an independent once the election was over. Their real mistake was letting him register in the first place and divide the party from inside.

At least HRC did the groundwork, participated in the DNC process and towed the party line for 30 years. Why would they hand the reins over to a carpetbagger who had trouble bringing in minority numbers and (barely anyone took this point in the press) had NO CHANCE to win Florida? HRC had a better chance. HRC was the long-serving member. HRC had the delegate counts. HRC never slipped behind Bernie in polling. HRC was the centrist and that's who wins elections.

Bernie has never had to counteract the kind of venom reserved for national front-runners. He hasn't endured trial-by-fire. And in a center/right leaning country, how tough do you think it would be for the GOP to present a "Progress-Costs-Lotsa-Money" socialist as a financial disaster waiting to happen? I sat in on three regional teleconferences with his team to hear plans and ask questions. Lots of ideas were discussed, not very much discussion about how to get it through Congress. They basically relied on our familiarity (and odd acceptance) with Congressional gridlock to inject a whole bunch of populism into the voter base. All fantasy.

[Bassist_Diver]

Bernie Messiah Conspiracy - so lame.
HRC didn't "rig" shit. The DNC is a private entity that raises money to promote agreed upon Dem candidates - full stop. As far as how things work inside, it's up to the brass. You keep going back to this idea that they just ignored primaries. That's fucking garbage. They understood that Bernie simply declared "I'm a Dem" because it was the only way to get on the ballots in all 50 states. He's a carpetbagger. He re-registered himself as an independent once the election was over. Their real mistake was letting him register in the first place and divide the party from inside.

At least HRC did the groundwork, participated in the DNC process and towed the party line for 30 years. Why would they hand the reins over to a carpetbagger who had trouble bringing in minority numbers and (barely anyone took this point in the press) had NO CHANCE to win Florida? HRC had a better chance. HRC was the long-serving member. HRC had the delegate counts. HRC never slipped behind Bernie in polling. HRC was the centrist and that's who wins elections.

Bernie has never had to counteract the kind of venom reserved for national front-runners. He hasn't endured trial-by-fire. And in a center/right leaning country, how tough do you think it would be for the GOP to present a "Progress-Costs-Lotsa-Money" socialist as a financial disaster waiting to happen? I sat in on three regional teleconferences with his team to hear plans and ask questions. Lots of ideas were discussed, not very much discussion about how to get it through Congress. They basically relied on our familiarity (and odd acceptance) with Congressional gridlock to inject a whole bunch of populism into the voter base. All fantasy.

Said it better than I ever could. If Bernie were the nominee Trump would have clobbered him in a debate and would likely have won the popular vote as well. Berniebros made up a much smaller pool than they want to admit and most people voted for him in the primaries not because of his policies but because he was not Hillary Clinton.

[Bassist_Diver]

Also, WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY RAISING HOLY HELL OVER THE FACT THAT THE MUELLER SUMMARY FLAT OUT CONFIRMS RUSSIA INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION?! Stop moping about there not being any evidence to impeach Trump, put on your big boy and girl pants, and do your jobs to prevent Russia from pulling this shit again! Because I can promise you they are still actively hacking our systems and working on how to fuck with us next year.

/former federal employee who was hacked by Russia twice (and China and DPRK once a piece) in my first year working for the agency.

This is where the line gets muddy - "actively hacking our systems" makes it sound like they were changing vote totals. They weren't. The threats to our democracy are, and always have been, internal. Voter suppression, the Electoral College itself, the capital class.

The Russians bought a bunch of Facebook ads for stupid people and had a negligible effect on the outcome of the election. Even the DNC hacks amounted to little: if not for Anthony Weiner via Huma Abedin's laptop, there would have been no Comey letter that actually swung the election.

Election influence is the way of the world - we've done it across the globe from Italy to Chile to Venezuela to Russia itself. The solutions are political, not legal or foreign policy-related.

Let's hope that winds up being the case. I'll be very curious to see what the full Mueller report has to say on the topic.

[Jwar]

Bernie Messiah Conspiracy - so lame.
HRC didn't "rig" shit. The DNC is a private entity that raises money to promote agreed upon Dem candidates - full stop. As far as how things work inside, it's up to the brass. You keep going back to this idea that they just ignored primaries. That's fucking garbage. They understood that Bernie simply declared "I'm a Dem" because it was the only way to get on the ballots in all 50 states. He's a carpetbagger. He re-registered himself as an independent once the election was over. Their real mistake was letting him register in the first place and divide the party from inside.

At least HRC did the groundwork, participated in the DNC process and towed the party line for 30 years. Why would they hand the reins over to a carpetbagger who had trouble bringing in minority numbers and (barely anyone took this point in the press) had NO CHANCE to win Florida? HRC had a better chance. HRC was the long-serving member. HRC had the delegate counts. HRC never slipped behind Bernie in polling. HRC was the centrist and that's who wins elections.

Bernie has never had to counteract the kind of venom reserved for national front-runners. He hasn't endured trial-by-fire. And in a center/right leaning country, how tough do you think it would be for the GOP to present a "Progress-Costs-Lotsa-Money" socialist as a financial disaster waiting to happen? I sat in on three regional teleconferences with his team to hear plans and ask questions. Lots of ideas were discussed, not very much discussion about how to get it through Congress. They basically relied on our familiarity (and odd acceptance) with Congressional gridlock to inject a whole bunch of populism into the voter base. All fantasy.

I don't want to argue with you. Hillary and the DNC can both suck my dick. Sorry. Fuck the DNC and the RNC. I don't believe a fucking word of anything they say. Hillary is and has always been a corrupt person, but she's a politician, they are ALL corrupt. All liars, sneaks, back stabbing cunts.


Also, I'm not a Bernie bro. Never said I was or that I have a Bernie messiah issue. I wouldn't have voted for him or anyone from the DNC. Sorry, not sorry.

[Sonaboy]

I don't want to argue with you. Hillary and the DNC can both suck my dick. Sorry. Fuck the DNC and the RNC. I don't believe a fucking word of anything they say. Hillary is and has always been a corrupt person, but she's a politician, they are ALL corrupt. All liars, sneaks, back stabbing cunts.

You don't have to argue with me, but churning out hundreds of words about all this, only to fall back on ^^^ the laziest of intellectual positions on politics^^^, doesn't absolve you of any criticism on these issues.