echorec wrote:What I find humorous/infuriating/nauseating about this particular circle jerk is that there seems to be no controversy in labelling Devi a failure. There's no controversy in labelling her work sloppy or unprofessional.
There is, however, controversy in suggesting that someone whose work can be characterized in said terms has not necessarily had a "drastic" influence on the industry as a whole.
To me (and forgive me for being acquainted with a dictionary), but if Devi has been so highly influential, (as you sandboxers have convinced yourselves she has been) then shouldn't she be omitted from a running list of failures? Some people would strongly contest that influencing others is the ultimate measurement of success.
So, here's what I don't quite understand about your "argument". You clearly have a personal bias based on a bad experience and are neglecting to see (for whatever reason) that Devi could have influenced other companies. She admits openly that her work was sloppy, she owned her unprofessional behavior on multiple occasions through the years (but is obviously afflicted by massive depression, not an excuse but an explanation). She directly influenced several companies that are now pretty successful regardless of if they want to admit it or not. Does that make her the most influential person in gear history? No, but it doesn't make her the least either.
You want ILF's respect obviously because you stick around, yet you lash out with immature attacks at people you do not like for whatever reason. It's a bit absurd if you ask me. If I attack someone, I have the conviction to at least apologize when I am wrong, which I have been many times over.
If you don't want to be here, then leave bro. No one is stopping you. You clearly despise our "circle jerk" and yes, I'll admit I get that feel from time to time here as well, but we are a community for a reason. We like each other.
ILF influences the gear world regardless of what anyone thinks as well. We may be a small forum but we draw in builders if we are unhappy or happy, and people listen and lurk here constantly and have for years.
Also, if you think we LOVE Devi, you haven't paid attention to anything in your time here. Go back and read some threads. Go revisit our history with Devi.
Some of us (I'm speaking directly for myself here) are tired of the anger and hatred and want to disconnect from that aspect of things. I forgive Devi for what she's said to me in the past. I can do that because I don't have room for resentment and grudges in my heart.