Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the modulator masses



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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby crochambeau » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:07 pm

Chankgeez wrote:I'd gladly sacrifice not having a pedal in a small enclosure if all the knobs don't move when I try to adjust just one of 'em. :D

Small is beautiful, but only when it makes sense. #appropriatetechnology(andallthatgoodstuff)


Yeah, I would not go crazy with it. I'm in the fat finger crowd so anything I design has to meet a baseline level of ergonomic operation, a friend showed me a module they purchased recently and the fucking thing only had the pot shaft to grab as the spacing was so tight fitting a knob would have been impossible. That's too much density in my opinion.

I'm also not planning on shrinking the standard builds, but exploring the possibility of being able to offer optional enclosures to the space conscientious.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:17 pm

:thumb: Options are always welcome.
psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:31 pm

psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:44 pm

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:00 pm

:thumb: Also, just found this lil' document: http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-fi ... od_140.pdf
psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:20 pm

… and dminner's sellin' this DBA clone, hit him up here for a better deal?:

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psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby friendship » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:33 pm

Chankgeez wrote::thumb: Also, just found this lil' document: http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-fi ... od_140.pdf


Cool read. Very interesting about why LFO bleed is so common on ring mods that have them.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:36 am

:thumb: You can thank Jon Appleton for that. I was looking for info on his use of ring mods and, apparently, he authored a book cited in that paper.

Also, this appeared on Reverb today:

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:48 am

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:10 pm

psychic vampire. wrote:The important take away from this thread: Taoism and Ring Modulators go together?
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby colossus » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:59 pm

Gonkulators for $35 at eBay. Just got one for my drum machine!
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:38 pm

^ Yeah, that's a bonus for all. ^ :thumb:

Also, apparently, Matt Pike's Mold Spore:

https://reverb.com/item/7496286-matt-pi ... -modulator

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… and, plus, here's some collector-grade Reinhart HAXage:

https://reverb.com/item/8812024-dwarfcr ... ness-pedal

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby ck3 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:43 pm

Does the Moog Minifooger have any carrier wave bleedthrough? I'm looking for a quieter analog option than my Gonkulator RI, which isn't excessively noisy, but still audibly oscillates when engaged.

I'm also digging the Bitquest ring mod effect. It produces quirky reverb tails at higher decay settings. Total death knell bell action.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:11 pm

I think the minifooger is slightly quieter than the gonk. I didnt think the gonk was noisy though.

Really noisy ones are things like the Craig anderton, Carlin, studio electronic, and sometimes the Monobius.

Something's you can try to lower noise floor is not having any kind of guitar bleed (like a noise gate) before the ring mod that keeps the diodes/amplifiers opening and closing. If they are in balance amplitude-wise and the modulator isn't opening the ring at all, there shouldn't be bleed. This doesn't take into account hot signals bleeding over switches or power supply noise from another pedal (but it is always good to check that power supply noise or noise floor isn't keeping the ring mod ring modding). If there is noise/signal large enough to activate the system, any can be noisy because of it's dependence on one signal gating the other.

Could also ask digitechrep if there is a trim for carrier volume on the gonk.

Another way around it is like the fix parasit made for the Carlin: envelope gate one the carrier (would require something like a noise gate side chain kinda thing and an external carrier).
Essentially a transistor that, when activated by incoming signal, turns on an led that changes the volume of the carrier. Like a dumb comparator (the vactrol just slows down the trasistor gating action).

The reverb trails are the oscillator not changing volume as your guitar does while decaying. The carrier is just louder and takes over. The Saturn and copilot ones are very much like that in the analog world.



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