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I sounds REALLY good. I love how it applies a lot knowledge from the history of synths (user feedback, and options users want) to create this wonderful modulation and sound source machine (wavetable and fm), while retaining (from what I have heard) a lot of NOVATION attributes (character of the filter). I think this would be great for anyone on the market for a synth looking in that budget ($1300?). If you can wait a year, I bet it will be under a grand.
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$harkToootth wrote:I sounds REALLY good. I love how it applies a lot knowledge from the history of synths (user feedback, and options users want) to create this wonderful modulation and sound source machine, while retaining (from what I have heard) a lot of NOVATION attributes. I think this would be great for anyone on the market for a synth looking in that budget ($1300?). If you can wait a year, I bet it will be under a grand.
I've never thought it sounded bad, but I have two major snags with the Peak. 1) It's mono-timbral. Not being able to split or layer sounds is a big miss. 2) It's made in China and it's $1300. If it was made in the UK and cost $1300 or more, that would make sense, but I don't understand why a Chinese-built, keyless, mono-timbral synth is $1300. If I'm going to spend >$1000 for a digital synth, then I'd prefer it to have keys and/or be made outside of Asia.
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I overlooked all of those points. Apparently I can't type either. I don't mind the digital oscillators because of stability (even though I don't have issues with my newer analog synths) and Wavetables (sucker for wavetable synths).
I guess Novation assumed speculative consumers already own some Eurorack and/or a synth with a keyboard already (with midi out) or other (like a keystep)?
No excuse for it not being able to layer sounds.
Then again, I'm not on the market for these sorts of things so don't listen to me.
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$harkToootth wrote:I overlooked all of those points. Apparently I can't type either. I don't mind the digital oscillators because of stability (even though I don't have issues with my newer analog synths) and Wavetables (sucker for wavetable synths).
I guess Novation assumed speculative consumers already own some Eurorack and/or a synth with a keyboard already (with midi out) or other (like a keystep)?
No excuse for it not being able to layer sounds.
Then again, I'm not on the market for these sorts of things so don't listen to me.
*while you were looking at Novation demos, I was doing Mavis Beacon teaches typing*
I don't mind the digital oscillators either, nor do I mind that it's keyless. What I mind is that it's digital, keyless, and $1300. The specs don't line up with the price point IMO.

If an American company can import premium Italian keybeds and assemble their synths in the US, while providing 8 bi-timbral voices for $1499, then why is a keyless module from China $1300? That doesn't make sense to me. You can run an independent sequence with an arpeggiator on the second layer of the REV2. That's a huge advantage over the Peak, which doesn't even have onboard sequencing. Imagine that in a year the REV2 could come without a keyboard. Then what? You might be looking at $1099 for 8 assignable analog voices, compared to the Peak's $1300, with no option for layering or sequencing.

Had the Peak debuted in the $699-899 range, it'd be a home run. At $1300, it's just significantly more than I want to spend on a digital desktop module. I'd spend $1500 on a digital synth (with user-defined presets), if it could emulate a Buchla or an EMS. What I've heard from the Peak sounds a lot like a greatest hits package of more mainstream synth sounds (with enough tweaking and menu work you can emulate a Moog, a Juno, or even some modular clangs). For me, the Peak is kind of operating in a no man's land. The price is slightly high, the sounds are good/VG, but not necessarily uncharted territory. If it was somewhat cheaper, or if it featured more options, it'd be more attractive, but it's just slightly off the mark on multiple fronts.
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Really makes you think...how much was the Bass Station when it debuted a few years ago :lol: wasn't it $500?
I have a Roland Gaia and I think Roland wanted $700 for it when it hit market (honestly, if you pay $200 for it now, I would say you got ripped off :lol:)
I appreciate your points and I agree.
EDIT: Regarding the synths I mentioned, both were years ago and as Echorec has pointed out in other posts, technology has evolved a lot. Unfair comparison.
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D.o.S. wrote:Yeah I know this is just part and parcel of your gear prospecting. I was just curious. :lol:
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Chankgeez wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:Yeah I know this is just part and parcel of your gear prospecting. I was just curious. :lol:
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So this is happening... :lol:

https://www.davesmithinstruments.com/pr ... 2-desktop/

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According to GearNews, these will be $1799 for 16-voices and $1299 for 8-voices. It's not quite as affordable, as I was speculating yesterday, but it is indeed on the way, well ahead of Winter NAMM.

https://www.gearnews.com/dsi-prophet-re ... s-desktop/

---I'm kind of torn between these now, because even though I don't need the physical keyboard, it does allow the instrument to be operated independently of any additional accessories. Also the price point doesn't necessarily make a huge difference in savings at only $200 for a 5-octave keyboard. I've previously seen a couple of dealers discount DSI stuff by up to 15% during holidays, which leads to the following scenario.

REV2 16-voices, street $1999, -15% = $1699
REV2 16-voices desktop, street $1799, -10% (because it's brand new & in limited supply) = $1619 (at 15%, it hits $1529, which is only a $170 difference)

The only real selling point on the desktop unit is space reduction, as you're certainly not getting a significant drop in price. :idk:

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I remember you mentioning you could get a Peak for some silly price back when it was launched. What happened to that deal Echo?
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actualidiot wrote:I remember you mentioning you could get a Peak for some silly price back when it was launched. What happened to that deal Echo?
https://www.gearnews.com/superbooth-201 ... nthesizer/
The price leaked on prodjstore.nl is €599 although that’s now been removed and other information from the internet suggests the price is actually €1300. Sound On Sound say it’s £1249 in the UK and should arrive in mid-May.
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This is what I remember
echorec wrote:It looks like I can get a Novation Peak for $650. :thumb:
But that might be in relation to the above.
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actualidiot wrote:This is what I remember
echorec wrote:It looks like I can get a Novation Peak for $650. :thumb:
But that might be in relation to the above.
I thought I had cleaned all that up, but I guess I need to update it.
echorec wrote:It looks like I can get a Novation Peak for double the original advertised price. :mad:
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Just over here waiting for John to release the new run of Longswords like:

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Looks like a new version of the Raptio is on the horizon
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Wat.

Wat!

何 the fuck!!! :drool:

(lol my phone's keyboard converted that properly, going to leave it as is)

I don't know what the extra everything does but I want it.
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