Well, at least, they're releasing the Amelia Earhart files...

[Chankgeez]

I hear you. But ain't this somewhat consistent? Isn't it what the US government does when they show up everywhere around the EU around election time to push "the right choice"?

Haven't you realized by now that U.S. Americans are hypocrites?

[Disarm D'arcy]

There's still something I'd like to understand. How does a foreign power actually influences an election? (seriously, in every article I have read, it's postulated, never explained or demonstrated)

Basically, they aired Hillary's dirty laundry.

And she lost.

So they "rigged an election" by doing that.

The whole thing is actually pretty stupid and the stupidity is compounded by people with strong opinions that don't actually understand what the situation is and are under the impression that Russia hacked the voting booths or reset Trump's programming to be JFK for a day or something like that.
But, yeah, Snipel has a point where the real problem is that Russia had a favourite and might've done a few things that could've possibly lead to their favourite winning. It's concerning, but that doesn't mean Trump unfairly won the presidency. It just means he won and Russia is happy about it for reasons we should be concerned about because we still don't actually know what those reasons are.

Yes. But the fact that that laundry existed and was revealed, isn't it a good thing? I mean I would have liked to know.

I hear you. But ain't this somewhat consistent? Isn't it what the US government does when they show up everywhere around the EU around election time to push "the right choice"?

Haven't you realized by now that U.S. Americans are hypocrites?

I am conscious of that fact yes (thanks you Edward and Julian for giving us all that pretty info about you guys like to listen to everything European elected officials have to say and how you like keeping back doors into the military gear you sell to your "allies")

Still trying to understand because it's buzzing in France as well, and I just don't get it.

[jrfox92]

Yes. But the fact that that laundry existed and was revealed, isn't it a good thing? I mean I would have liked to know.

That is my opinion. But, according to all my liberal-leaning acquaintances, I am a Nazi-loving fascist that wants the world to be ruled by Russian Russians.

I think you're starting to understand why I think American politics are (is?) hilarious.

[Disarm D'arcy]

I think it is indeed utter bullshit. I complain about the homogeneity of the political spectrum in Europe but when I look at the US, I'm just baffled about how you guys have to choose with center-right to right wing conservatives (democrats), right to far right wing conservatives (republicans) that somehow agree on 95% of key points of American politics (taxes are bad, social progress is only valid if achieved though darwinism, death penalty why not, let's build weapons and spread them around for fun, climate change yes but who wouldn't like a couple more degrees in Nebraska or something ). You guys even missed out on some somewhat very moderately left leaning center with Sanders

[snipelfritz]

I hear you. But ain't this somewhat consistent? Isn't it what the US government does when they show up everywhere around the EU around election time to push "the right choice"?

Haven't you realized by now that U.S. Americans are hypocrites?

Haha, yeah.

I don't trust Putin and think he'll use Trump's naiveté on global politics as an excuse to further his building of a new Sovietesque sphere of influence and pull more Crimea-style landgrabs.

Clinton's neoliberal foreign agenda was not savory to me, but at least she had experience in that realm.

[snipelfritz]

I think it is indeed utter bullshit. I complain about the homogeneity of the political spectrum in Europe but when I look at the US, I'm just baffled about how you guys have to choose with center-right to right wing conservatives (democrats), right to far right wing conservatives (republicans) that somehow agree on 95% of key points of American politics (taxes are bad, social progress is only valid if achieved though darwinism, death penalty why not, let's build weapons and spread them around for fun, climate change yes but who wouldn't like a couple more degrees in Nebraska or something ). You guys even missed out on some somewhat very moderately left leaning center with Sanders

If you want to better understand American political thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugged_individualism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_upon_a_Hill

[Disarm D'arcy]

You realize that what you called a landgrab is the result of NATO being the aggressor and disregarding treaties that date back to the German reunification, right? You also realize that the climate in Ukraine is flamable as fuck, and that the NATO/EU is supporting a government in which a neo-nazi party has ministers? You also also realize Crimea was in Russia until Kroutchev snapped his fingers and decided it wasn't?

There are reasons crimeans who live in an autonomous region, are historaically pro-Russians and highly economically dépendant on them looked at Putin and thought a conservative authoritarian Russian would be better for them than a neo-nazi compatible government after years of armed militias and failed violent revolutions that are the theatrical play of the little game between Washington and Moscow for influence.

Looking at Putin as the bad guy is a rhetoric I'm not found off. When everything turns to shit, you make your best with what you have around.

[Chankgeez]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh-F-fVJWVw[/youtube]

[zzuFrepuS]

It just means he won and Russia is happy about it for reasons we should be concerned about because we still don't actually know what those reasons are.

there's about $1.5 Trillion reasons Russia is happy about their Siberian Candidate winning. plus the lady that spoke up about Putin's corruption with his reelection lost.

[Jwar]

Yes. But the fact that that laundry existed and was revealed, isn't it a good thing? I mean I would have liked to know.

That is my opinion. But, according to all my liberal-leaning acquaintances, I am a Nazi-loving fascist that wants the world to be ruled by Russian Russians.

I think you're starting to understand why I think American politics are (is?) hilarious.

Exactly! I was arguing with my younger brother who didn't like Clinton, but hate Trump obviously (he voted for neither lol). He was going on and on about Russia and I said "we should be thanking them". He seemed baffled and I explained that to me it doesn't matter who exposes the truth, just so long as it's exposed. I mean, how the fuck can you ignore all the shit that came out during the election. I just don't get it. Plus, it most likely did not sway the vote as much as the director of the FBI investigating her the week before voting. LOL!!! Come on!!!

This is going to be a rocky road, but no one knows how rocky yet. There's too much speculation from the media and "experts". I'm so sick of it all. Just fuck off and let's see what happens without freaking the fuck out.

[rustywire]

It just means he won and Russia is happy about it for reasons we should be concerned about because we still don't actually know what those reasons are.

there's about $1.5 Trillion reasons Russia is happy about their Siberian Candidate winning. plus the lady that spoke up about Putin's corruption with his reelection lost.

How again, did HRC manage to win the primary?

[zzuFrepuS]

It just means he won and Russia is happy about it for reasons we should be concerned about because we still don't actually know what those reasons are.

there's about $1.5 Trillion reasons Russia is happy about their Siberian Candidate winning. plus the lady that spoke up about Putin's corruption with his reelection lost.

How again, did HRC manage to win the primary?

i'm sorry you must be mistaking me for a HRC supporter.

[rustywire]

I'm pointing at the absurdity of "it's OK when I do it!", not you. Chill.

[Chankgeez]

My inside sources are telling me that Trump's gonna attempt to bribe Islamic State to give up their fight with bacon & beer.

[D.o.S.]

These last two pages are exhaustively incorrect at explaining the American half of the discussion.

Which to clarify means that I disagree with a lot of it but can't be assed to explain myself because I'm rushing around trying to figure out the most expeditious way to leave.