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Brandsmannen wrote: I don't particularly like Hillary, but she is qualified and when it comes to lying it's simply a false equivalency to say that she is just as bad, or as other people say, worse.
Correct. She's better at lying than Trump. You don't have to look far or deep to see the writing on the wall.
Keith Olbermann's 18 min laundry list video on Trump is full of less than honorable deeds. But there's good reason why he didn't put out a similar video for HRC, not simply because of political bias and it's who he wants to win this election.

It would be great if everyone could approach politics in such a way; lining up and laying bare all the candidates, outlining their good & bad track records...may the best man or woman win. That's equality of opportunity and a rare form of intellectual honesty.

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Brandsmannen wrote: I don't particularly like Hillary, but she is qualified and when it comes to lying it's simply a false equivalency to say that she is just as bad, or as other people say, worse.
Correct. She's better at lying than Trump. You don't have to look far or deep to see the writing on the wall.
Keith Olbermann's 18 min laundry list video on Trump is full of less than honorable deeds. But there's good reason why he didn't put out a similar video for HRC, not simply because of political bias and it's who he wants to win this election.

It would be great if everyone could approach politics in such a way; lining up and laying bare all the candidates, outlining their good & bad track records...may the best man or woman win. That's equality of opportunity and a rare form of intellectual honesty.

Instead we get immature people burying any unfavorable angles on *muh fav* while spotlighting and highlighting every unfavorable angle on *that big bad other*
The bolded part is a result of media coverage. It's been studied quite extensively that framing an election as a so called "horserace" (emphasis on polls, focus on people as a person as opposed to a representative for certain policies and discussing the campaigning as something outside of of the citizens control). Policy wise I think Hillary has way better ideas, paid paternal leave is something that that is long overdue in the US. Policy wise, Donald Trump is a disaster.

If I may be a pretentious dick, Machiavelli talked about having a "prince" who isn't liked (even though he revered people who killed an "appropriate" amount of people). Explicitly he said there is no way you can be a good christian and a good politician. I think this can be translated to todays politics as someone who necessarily isn't liked. I think Hillary is seen as corrupt, because she is an expert on the american political system. Ie, Obama is very liked, but he has had big problems getting things done in congress. I might be very very wrong though
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Also for the record, I don't all out agree with Machiavelli. But he is a very famous political theorist so there are some lessons that one can learn from him.
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No she's seen as corrupt because she is fucking corrupt. Seriously do any amount of research on the woman and you'll find out that she's is a evil POS.

Again, both suck. There is no lesser evil. Just two fucking monsters.

Will she do a better job? Yes. That doesn't change the fact that she is a horrible human being.
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jwar wrote:No she's seen as corrupt because she is fucking corrupt. Seriously do any amount of research on the woman and you'll find out that she's is a evil POS.

Again, both suck. There is no lesser evil. Just two fucking monsters.

Will she do a better job? Yes. That doesn't change the fact that she is a horrible human being.
I have. Given what the bar is for how american presidents are I'd say she is a perfectly good candidate still. It's been a long time since an american president wasn't a war criminal
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Well I guess we can agree on that much.
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John wrote:Sara Palin is the Kathy Jones (nsfw) of politicians.
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jwar wrote:Hillary Clinton is a corrupt bitch. She has fucked this country over in so many ways it's not funny. I do not believe she is qualified in the slightest to be President. Over Trump she is, but we are faced yet again with a douche and a turd decision. It's laughable to think anyone could support any of these morons at this point.

Trump said this, Trump said that. Hillary did this, Hillary did that. They suck! They both are fucking awful no matter what anyone says or tries to justify.

At this point I'm thinking of voting for Gary Johnson even though he's a fucking idiot. Might as well right? Can't be any worse that the shit we are faced with right now.
This is the sort of post that makes it really hard to take you seriously when it comes to important things, dude.

I read something on another forum the other day that laid this sort of thinking out quite nicely. I hope you get something out of it:

Due almost entirely to the Republican party, Hillary is probably the most investigated person in history. They've launched multi-million dollar investigations into Whitewater, Vince Foster, emails, Benghazi!!!!, the Clinton foundation and quite a few other things. And they've found pretty much nothing. A couple of questionable donations to the foundation but absolutely no evidence of any pay-for-play. That she, like her predecessors, used a private email server and a scant handful of classified documents went through it.

They keep trying to blame her for the peccadilloes of her husband but that's akin to blaming the wife who got beaten by her husband. They try to implicate her in other "scandals" of the Clinton Administration but every time they do they also are forced to give her credit for the successes of that administration, which left office with a 66% approval rating and Bill has a higher approval rating than any of the Presidential candidates.

So with that much money, that many opposition-led investigations turning up nothing, you can really only conclude one of two things:

(1) That Hillary isn't crooked or dirty and she's exactly what she started out to be - a politically active child advocate (she's been 100% consistent in this) who is one of the most qualified Presidential candidates in recent history.

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(2) That she is incredibly crooked but absolutely smart enough to know exactly where the law is, how to shield herself from it, how to best utilize her assets to get things done and protect her and Bill, knows how and when to "double cross" people, have them knocked off without it leading back to her and generally is one of the smartest "villains" of all time. In which case she'll also likely make a fine President.

There really is no logical 3rd path here. If she's that crooked, she has to be incredibly smart to get away with it. If she's not that smart, she can't be that crooked because if you spend that much money investigating most anyone you're going to come up with something that sticks much better than what has surfaced thus far.
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Sara Palin is the Kathy Jones (nsfw) of politicians.
Lol. Jones is a twisted character. I'd much rather get at Palin though.
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Faldoe wrote:I'd much rather get at Palin though.
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Man, what a shit show.
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I think the ShamWow Guy is one of Trump's debate coaches.
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D.o.S. wrote:something unimportant about something uninteresting.
They are just mad that she is a dem, if she wasn't they would love the fuck out of her…
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It's hard to believe this is real. Anyone see the coverage of the room prior to the debate beginning? The look on the Trump family's faces.
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Presidential debate drinking game: take a drink every time Trump sniffs or Hillary makes a shit-eating grin.
I guarantee you'll be blackout drunk in 5 minutes.
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