Being 'PC' and 'safe places' on campus. The Younger gens

[Andrew]

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For real though. My brother is 24 and him and his friends are ridiculously immature at their age. It's the common trend now. When I was 24 (I'm only 33 now), I was already working full time, trying to go to school and had a fucking family started. Kids in the generations below need their asses kicked. Not to be coddled like babies. Ugh. So much hate I have for young people. So much. :

Working is the best reality injection. Study is cool, but actual hard work is the best thing to ground you because nothing actually matters until the job is done.

[Jwar]

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For real though. My brother is 24 and him and his friends are ridiculously immature at their age. It's the common trend now. When I was 24 (I'm only 33 now), I was already working full time, trying to go to school and had a fucking family started. Kids in the generations below need their asses kicked. Not to be coddled like babies. Ugh. So much hate I have for young people. So much. :

Working is the best reality injection. Study is cool, but actual hard work is the best thing to ground you because nothing actually matters until the job is done.

Agreed.

People say to me "I don't have time" or "that's not possible". People my brothers age. I tell them, when I was 27, I was working full time at a fucking grocery store after working in an office for almost 10 years, going to school full time, going to the gym 5-6 days a week and raising two children. Tell me again how you don't have time?

I went to night classes and killed myself for 2 years. Sure it wasn't a 4 year degree or a masters, but it doesn't matter unless it's a highly specialized degree. I know the school systems wouldn't agree but college for the most part is a waste of fucking time. I can't even count the amount of people I know that have masters, or multi masters degrees, and do not use them. Idiotic.

[D.o.S.]

you forgot walking uphill both ways in the snow.

[Jwar]

you forgot walking uphill both ways in the snow.

You're dumb dude.

[ProCarsteNation]

you forgot walking uphill both ways in the snow.

with shoes on? you were lucky!!

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[snipelfritz]

Trigger warning: but this is the sort of subject that when I see someone taking it seriously, (no matter what their stance) they just kind of come off as stepping on some sort of straw man to somehow elevate their own sense of self satisfaction.

One of the major criticisms I hear of PC-culture is that (paraphrase ahoy!) "people just want to see/create problems, so by complaining about it, they feel better about themselves."

It seems bizarrely ironic.

Not that SJWs can't be annoying, but people taking the easy route and clearly just using some preconceived notion of the subject to project themselves as being more sensible rather than injecting the discussion with any actual worthwhile thought is far more prevalent in my experience (apparently, I just got out of college in time to avoid all of this hullabaloo).

Long and short of it, Ima just stay out of taking this discussion with any real seriousness/emotional investment.

[repoman]

One of the major criticisms I hear of PC-culture is that (paraphrase ahoy!) "people just want to see/create problems, so by complaining about it, they feel better about themselves."

It seems bizarrely ironic.

I don't understand how that is ironic? Do you mean by complaining about SJW types people are giving undue credit or recognition to people that shouldn't be acknowledged in the first place?

Personally, I think many of these issues are very much rooted in narcissism, where the crusader feels the need for a cause to pursue for personal acknowledgement, ego boosting or now, acceptance from the status quo. They are generally narcissistic in nature because they are all very 'safe' pursuits and many times are rather navel gazing-ish.

'No good deed goes unpunished' is especially true in political ideology/policy.

[snipelfritz]

An attitude of " these are just people projecting themselves into the situation to make themselves seem better than some 'other'" just seems like it can be applied both ways.

Side note: Next time some conservative mentions how soft skinned people/liberals can be mention flag burning to them. Everyone has buttons. If just a matter of knowing which ones to push and when to get the funniest reaction from people...I've completely lost any semblance of a train of thought.

Edit: the whole narcissism thing is spot on. In my experience sometimes it can be applied to all sides of the issue.

[repoman]

Yes. I think it's very obvious on both sides that the people who engage in the rants/whining/push button topics or listen to them are much more concerned with stroking their own ego than actually being concerned about the issue they are supposedly wanting a resolution to. Thats why 99% of talking heads on both sides are 100% appealing to emotion rather than any logic, why basically all media is complete trash.

[Tristan]

It's basically just pointing fingers and commenting on others behavior.
Though I must say that in my opinion questioning isn't necessarily a bad thing and as such the email sent by Christiakis, as any other instance of questioning stance, isn't a bad thing in itself.
The end paragraph or conclusion might be where it went wrong or sensitive though.
America, or at least the present climate, does seem a bit strange to me, I can still remember the big discussion about the shirt the Mars lander scientist team guy wore at a conference being a similar problematically perceived situation.
Funny enough people seem more concerned about a prefixed type of safety instead of a safety in which you are you and I am I but in negotiation we try to make it as good as possible for eachother counts as the primary denominator.
For me personally, I like contrasts, so I'm quite happy we're not all alike, I value and appreciate that.

[Faldoe]

Trigger warning: but this is the sort of subject that when I see someone taking it seriously, (no matter what their stance) they just kind of come off as stepping on some sort of straw man to somehow elevate their own sense of self satisfaction.

One of the major criticisms I hear of PC-culture is that (paraphrase ahoy!) "people just want to see/create problems, so by complaining about it, they feel better about themselves."

It seems bizarrely ironic.

Not that SJWs can't be annoying, but people taking the easy route and clearly just using some preconceived notion of the subject to project themselves as being more sensible rather than injecting the discussion with any actual worthwhile thought is far more prevalent in my experience (apparently, I just got out of college in time to avoid all of this hullabaloo).

Long and short of it, Ima just stay out of taking this discussion with any real seriousness/emotional investment.

There are folks that are, or tend to be, on the right/conservative, politically, that often make the claim(s) that the "PC police" are pulling the race card or making something out of nothing.

I think there can at times be some truth to that, but the situation and circumstances, people involved, vary and it's that some rule or formula. It's just a generalization on their part. They may overlook at instance of legitimate.. prejudice or injustice and blame the person making the complaint (the victim) as pulling the race card or just wining.

I think there is in the academic world a need to legitimize ones's self - professors, people in PHD programs, especially in Sociology, Ethnic Studies. And also in areas like Philosophy and then all the off-shot subjects; critical race theory. In the need to make a name for one's self or contribute something to the field, or the notion of offering something to the public, people can create new theories about a given subject and don't necessarily have a total basis in reality or that can be, or have been, studied scientifically to be verified. Pretty soon people are trading these ideas and building narratives about society, people, races, gender, etc. This seems to come more from the political left.

There may be and often is, some validity/kernel of truth in the midst of it all, but people will take the whole theory as if being proven and use to to interpret and evaluate the world. Add to that people often misreading a given theory or work and dumbing it down so it loses context and then is propagated further, being over-simplified. The nuance is lost and it also becomes a method of generalization or prejudice.

[snipelfritz]

One thing that's weird about this is that people my age (older millennials) reveled in an age of the politically incorrect. Family Guy was huge when I was in high school, you couldn't go two steps without hearing "that's gay/retarded/gaytarded, and even bringing up the ideas of specific prejudices was rife for making light of.

So much has changed in 5/6 years. It must be all these kids getting the auts from vaccines.

Seriously (actually not at all), I think the whole becoming an SJW to scam on chicks is a great idea.

[Faldoe]

I mean there is something to be said about abandoning certain words/phrases.

I often find myself reacting internally to things in a PC manner. Thinking "oohhhhh, they shouldn't say that," and I've been wondering "where the fuck is that coming from?" "why did I think that?"

The "SJW to pickup chicks" thing reminds me of Dennis and Mac in that abortion rally episode of Its Always Sunny...

[Tristan]

To talk about another peculiarity of human beings, trying to make sense of things in simple models, life is quite complicated and beyond our comprehension even, what is the rationality behind utilising these simple models and even believing that one such model can be the truth in any let alone in every case?

[t-rey]

LONG POST FULL OF WIN.

Well said. I absolutely agree with point about offendedness being an indicator of privilege. My general feeling is that this culture of offence/PC culture thing going on now was all but absent when I was in college, and that was less than 10 years ago. So, do you view this as a sign of increasing disparity of wealth and more people of privilege getting uppity about shit, or is it just getting more attention than it used to?

I don't understand how that is ironic? Do you mean by complaining about SJW types people are giving undue credit or recognition to people that shouldn't be acknowledged in the first place?

Personally, I think many of these issues are very much rooted in narcissism, where the crusader feels the need for a cause to pursue for personal acknowledgement, ego boosting or now, acceptance from the status quo. They are generally narcissistic in nature because they are all very 'safe' pursuits and many times are rather navel gazing-ish.

'No good deed goes unpunished' is especially true in political ideology/policy.

This is the stance I tend to take on the issue as well. People are quick to trumpet their offence of this thing or that, or support of whatever cause, but most of the time it feels like they are doing it for attention. Their difficulty accepting, recognizing, or respecting an opposing view is also kind of indicative of narcissism, isn't it?