gun things and the things they do

[D.o.S.]

And who decides that it's something you need? It seems like that would punish the law abiding citizen that isn't a criminal which is the side that I am. I don't particularly need my Enfield from ww2 but I enjoy having and shooting it.


Do you own guns?

The elected officials get to decide. That's how this democracy works. The idiots we vote for decide, as a group, how we function as a society.

I own guns and I have no problem with them in a general sense, but our culture is fucked up about them.

We could also talk about the culture of hyper-macho MRAs that feed this beast. I mean, women had a rights movement and a lot of public discourse, lots of minority cultures have had rights movements and public discourse. White men are the ones left behind and they are lashing out in a big way. Online, with guns IRL, etc. It is getting ugly and it seems like something to address.

We could but I don't think we have any on ILF (that I know of) so it'd be a pretty onesided conversation.

[theAntihero]

And who decides that it's something you need? It seems like that would punish the law abiding citizen that isn't a criminal which is the side that I am. I don't particularly need my Enfield from ww2 but I enjoy having and shooting it.


Do you own guns?

The elected officials get to decide. That's how this democracy works. The idiots we vote for decide, as a group, how we function as a society.

I own guns and I have no problem with them in a general sense, but our culture is fucked up about them.

We could also talk about the culture of hyper-macho MRAs that feed this beast. I mean, women had a rights movement and a lot of public discourse, lots of minority cultures have had rights movements and public discourse. White men are the ones left behind and they are lashing out in a big way. Online, with guns IRL, etc. It is getting ugly and it seems like something to address.

I wrote that poorly, I meant it more as what the process would be to decide exactly what gun I need. An awful lot of our elected idiots seem to have no idea about firearms, this doesn't give me hope that this will be the one issue they will excel in....

I don't necessarily agree with your last paragraph. There are extremist in every slice of life and judging everyone in that slice by said extremist isn't a fair assessment of everyone in that slice

[D.o.S.]

Yeah, that's definitely true.

My position, mostly, is that guns tend to bring out the worst in people. Not persons, but in people.

[theAntihero]

When a mountain lion or a bear shoots up a school because they can't get laid, let me know.

As it stands, the laws and regulations we have are (fairly obviously) not working. And, exactly because "we don't have a Minority Report style of predicting future crimes," the easiest solution is to tighten restrictions on who can own guns -- something that, again, shouldn't affect responsible gun owners in the slightest beyond whatever minor inconvenience a longer waiting list or lessened accessibility to buy whatever weapon you want -- to ensure that the people-on-people violence is lessened.

The easy response to that is "but well the criminals will still get guns" and the answer to that is somewhat obvious: you don't make laws to govern what criminals (who are, by definition, law breakers) do: you make laws to govern what the law-abiding population can do, in a hope that the person with a clean criminal record who goes postal out of nowhere will have a harder time getting the sort of weaponry he or she would require to do so.

That's not "going after every gun owner" in the slightest. If I want to buy another gun I can get the process going tomorrow, but I'm not going to claim that my rights are getting trampled on if they make the waiting peroid longer, or if my selection is somewhat limited.

Fair, but what in your opinion is a lesser selection or a fair waiting period?

I don't think there's a one-size fits all answer to this question. One way to approach it would be similar to zoning -- which is arguably what the state laws are supposed to be doing, but, again, clearly insufficient. For example, you want to buy an AR-15, you have to prove that you live in an area that requires it. And you have to wait a week, get a background check, and your name probably winds up on a list somewhere. Don't like that? Don't buy an AR-15 (hypothetical firearm picked only because it starts with the letter A and I'm tired).

And who decides that it's something you need? It seems like that would punish the law abiding citizen that isn't a criminal which is the side that I am. I don't particularly need my Enfield from ww2 but I enjoy having and shooting it.


Do you own guns?

I would say that there's a process there that can determine what you need. You, for example, don't need "a gun", right? You need a gun that will fit your needs. Not in the phallic gun culture sense, but in the practical sense that clearly exists, considering your argument thus far has been "BUT I NEEDS IT FOR PROTECTING MAHSELF FROM THE WILD ANIMALLLS". Which is it, because the "have my cake and eat it too" Second Amendment isn't a real argument, IMO, it's a cop out.

As to my own gun ownership, I don't own any modern guns currently, although I have a civil war ear shotgun which is non-working. Like I said earlier,I've owned a gun before/lived in homes with roomates and housemates who have. I don't like them enough to buy one, so it is unlikely I'll own one in the future.

I do need a gun against wild animals, in fact my dog has been barking up a storm all night and since he refuses to go outside my assumption is its something dangerous.

I get what you are saying about extremists, I do but its an odd situation too be in since I'm a gun owner, have been for years, bought them legally, have no criminal record....,and m told that I shouldn't be able to use a freedom I've earned by being law abiding etc because someone else did something wrong. I can't really comms up with a good comparison but.....it would be like someone outlawing all fuzzes besides a certain kind, because someone somewhere saiud you only need a fuzz face. Thats a terrible comparison but hopefully you get my point.

I do think that people who have actually done wrong and unlawful things with firearms should be punished far more severely. Background checks are a good idea. Limiting a gun to a certain amount of rounds is silly as is a lot of awb stuff

[theAntihero]

Yeah, that's definitely true.

My position, mostly, is that guns tend to bring out the worst in people. Not persons, but in people.

So society as a whole instead of individuals?

[echodeluxe]

[Blackened Soul]

And who decides that it's something you need? It seems like that would punish the law abiding citizen that isn't a criminal which is the side that I am. I don't particularly need my Enfield from ww2 but I enjoy having and shooting it.


Do you own guns?

The elected officials get to decide. That's how this democracy works. The idiots we vote for decide, as a group, how we function as a society.

I own guns and I have no problem with them in a general sense, but our culture is fucked up about them.

We could also talk about the culture of hyper-macho MRAs that feed this beast. I mean, women had a rights movement and a lot of public discourse, lots of minority cultures have had rights movements and public discourse. White men are the ones left behind and they are lashing out in a big way. Online, with guns IRL, etc. It is getting ugly and it seems like something to address.

We could but I don't think we have any on ILF (that I know of) so it'd be a pretty onesided conversation.

actually incorrect... anyway I don't really agree with either side of the people that like to argue over guns, but, I do have one thing to say about them, THEY ARE FUCKING LOUD! FUCKING PEOPLE NEED TO STOP USING THE FUCKING THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING NIGHT! AND EVEN WORSE 7 THE FOCK O'CLOCK ON FUCKING WEEKEND MORNINGS! WHAT THE FUCK IS FUCKING WRONG WITH FUCKING PEOPLE?!?!??

[Chankgeez]

It's Always Gunny?

[Chankgeez]

Posted for posterity:

[lordgalvar]

It's like you rented a tuxedo and then took it back after the party (refering to the gif that you just dropped off here from your sig).

[Chankgeez]

These threads go well in a gun thread:

[lordgalvar]

Wait...was that actually from a suit rental place like Friar Tux?

[whitecapsof]

THEY ARE FUCKING LOUD! FUCKING PEOPLE NEED TO STOP USING THE FUCKING THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING NIGHT! AND EVEN WORSE 7 THE FOCK O'CLOCK ON FUCKING WEEKEND MORNINGS! WHAT THE FUCK IS FUCKING WRONG WITH FUCKING PEOPLE?!?!??

FUCK OFF WITH THE GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jwar]

I want a new gun. I wish I could afford to go to the range more often. Or had somewhere safe to shoot outside. I love shooting outdoors. Nothing beats it. Ranges are boring and expensive. There's nothing more peaceful to me than shooting an old TV or a old couch or something like that. No joke. I really think it's a blast as long as you're not a dumb ass about it.

My cousins and I started shooting at a younger age, and we taught ourselves gun safety, then learned the actual way gun safety is supposed to be later on. We're lucky our dumb asses didn't kill each other. We were reckless for a long time. Not anymore. Thank God for growing up.

My goal is to get a longer barrel hand gun. A Glock or another Springfield XD but full size. I shot a full sized Springfield XD and OMG it was so accurate when compared to my sub compact. You can't hit shit with a sub compact. I guess that's why it's for conceal and carry. Good up to ten feet.

[Faldoe]

Good Sam Harris podcast on guns:

http://www.samharris.org/podcast