Count To Five

[multi_s]

i don't know of anymore bugs.

That can only mean one thing...

ya i just meant i will update the manual soon. but i will release updates time to time for this if we are still selling them.

Thanks guys!!! I'll take a clip of the whole expression thing if anyone is interested. It's really cool and weird.

please do (:

[ogguitar]

Ah I see. Fair enough. Still look forward to whatever is next!

[Jing]

Just purchased a new CT5. My rev i seems like it's not going to get an update anytime soon. I assume the new one will have the 0.963 firmware or will it? Any possibilities of getting different quantize modes. It would be really nice to be able to change them on my own so I could experiment. If that isn't feasible, I would love to be able to get some a custom firmware with like a sus2, sus4 and major instead of, or in addition to, Dim,Aug and WT.

[ogguitar]

Just purchased a new CT5. My rev i seems like it's not going to get an update anytime soon. I assume the new one will have the 0.963 firmware or will it? Any possibilities of getting different quantize modes. It would be really nice to be able to change them on my own so I could experiment. If that isn't feasible, I would love to be able to get some a custom firmware with like a sus2, sus4 and major instead of, or in addition to, Dim,Aug and WT.

A major 2nd from a sus2 chord is a whole tone... and a major or minor triad is a combination of 1 major 3rd (Aug mode) and 1 minor 3rd (Dim mode). The jump from Aug to 5ths/octaves is pretty large though, so something with 4ths could be interesting. Though I'm assuming you want these new modes because you primarily use the CT5 with EXP controlling DIR. I see how that would make it a bit easier rather than just using the chromatic mode which would require memorizing exact positions for each note of the scale. So then DIR would be quantized only to the notes in a given chord.

I'm no expert in the science that goes into the CT5, but I guess from a music perspective, maybe there could be modes which step modulate DIR so that the first repeat is quantized to a major 3rd, the second is quantized to a minor third, and the third is quantized to a 4th. That would give you an ascending major arpeggio, which is all I can really think of for a Major mode. Though this kind of update might help the CT5 fit more typical pop contexts a little better, it would start turning it into an arpeggiator rather than a pitch-shifting delay/sampler. I'm sure with the right programming, it could happen, but it's a pretty significant departure from the original design I think.

The first scenario is more likely, but I'm not sure if that's really what you're looking for from the modes you described.

[goroth]

Afaik the ct5 pitchshifting is a result of the signal being fed back into itself and played back at a different speed = different pitch. This means that you have a static interval for the shifting (and that each repeat gets faster or slower as its pitch is changed).

I can't see how you could implement variable pitch shifting depending on which repeat it is in a sequence in the way that the ct5 is designed.
Which I admittedly know nothing about.

[Jing]

I don't see how it would be any different than the varying steps of the 5th and octave quantize mode. Seems to me the different quantize modes already make it an arpeggiator. Modes 4 and 5 arpeggiate dim and aug chords respectively.

[Chankgeez]

Just reading a Tape Op interview with Brad Laner (Medicine). Apparently he has a Count to Five on (or more technically off) his board.



http://tapeop.com/interviews/116/brad-laner/

[zeravla]

Shit, that's awesome.

[ogguitar]

I don't see how it would be any different than the varying steps of the 5th and octave quantize mode. Seems to me the different quantize modes already make it an arpeggiator. Modes 4 and 5 arpeggiate dim and aug chords respectively.

But the 5th/oct mode doesn't repeat a fifth then an octave - that is, if you play a C, it doesn't repeat G, then C, then G, then C. In that case, it would repeat G, then D, then A, then E. The repeats are a fixed pitch as noted above. Aug and Dim chords have the same interval (i.e. the same number of semi-tones) between their triads. Major and minor chords don't. You would have to step modulate the speed and pitch to make it repeat E, G, C, E, G, C, E, G, C...

[Jing]

I think I see where our perspectives may be conflicting. If you have the feedback turned up and the Dir1 knob set to a 5th it will play back a 5th, then a 5th higher, then a 5th higher etc. . When you have the feedback turned all the way down, and the quantize mode set to 5th/octave, as you change the dir1 knob from fully counter to fully clockwise it plays back rev oct up, rev 5th up, rev, rev 5th down, rev oct down, oct down, 5th down, original pitch, 5th up, octave up, all quantized. I am proposing that the dir1 knob instead of quantizing to a 5th and octave, be able to quantize to a major chord (maj 3rd, 5th, oct, maj 3rd, etc.) for example. Personally I think it would be interesting to have it do sus2 (maj2, 5th, oct) or sus4 (4th, 5th, oct)

[Jing]

I think there could be many more interesting combinations as well. I have seen Scott mention doing custom firmwares for people if I remember correctly and I would be interested in one that does what I mentioned if it turns out that it would not be implemented in a public release.

[ogguitar]

Ok yeah, that makes sense. I'm sure it could be done, heck Scott could probably do what I described as well if he wanted. I personally would use the Chromatic mode for a sus2, m3, M3, sus4 mode, but I'm also using a mini EXP that is simply a large knob I can turn with my foot, rather than a rocking EXP pedal. All I would have to do is mark the positions for those intervals on my knob, but that really isn't doable with a rocker pedal, so I could definitely see how such a mode could be helpful in that situation.

[multi_s]

I don't see how it would be any different than the varying steps of the 5th and octave quantize mode. Seems to me the different quantize modes already make it an arpeggiator. Modes 4 and 5 arpeggiate dim and aug chords respectively.

But the 5th/oct mode doesn't repeat a fifth then an octave - that is, if you play a C, it doesn't repeat G, then C, then G, then C. In that case, it would repeat G, then D, then A, then E. The repeats are a fixed pitch as noted above. Aug and Dim chords have the same interval (i.e. the same number of semi-tones) between their triads. Major and minor chords don't. You would have to step modulate the speed and pitch to make it repeat E, G, C, E, G, C, E, G, C...

yes this is exactly correct.

if you have fbk at min everything would stay in fifths octaves since there is only one transposition.

it is really a technicality, there is nothing stopping you from making the quantization set anyhting you could desire, its just that after 2 or more transpositions they may not fall into a subset that can be classified by a typical scale or triad name.

other thank p5/octave all the sets offered are just scale names that happen to be scales/triads whose notes are all spaced an equal number of semitones that are necessarily factors of 12. These factors should be 1,2,3,4 and 6, only 6 is not used, this would be a minor fifth and an octave etc, subjectively perfect fifth and octave sounds better even though it breaks the rule for discovering the sets.

any set could be used, ymmv if you are trying to keep it on a musical scale.


as someone mentioned up the thread though if you are really looking for an arp you should probably check out something else, like cooper effects had a nice one IIRC

edit: also yes they should all be shipping with 0.963. there my be more updates soon but you can upgrade them on any desktop OS now thanks to Drod.

[Jing]

So, when you say "there is nothing stopping you from making the quantization set anyhting you could desire", what would that require? I have not updated the pedal yet. Is the firmware in a format where the user/I could edit it or would be able to change the default quantizations, or would I need to get you to make the changes? I would pay for something like that depending on what it would cost if that is what it takes.

I know that setting like a major triad quantization for example would not make it fit with a scale depending on what note you play, but tension can be fine as long as you resolve it. Or if you are not playing with a chord progression, but a drone you can get away with a lot more. The major triad for example sounds "nice" and can get away with starting on different degrees as long there is nothing else that is going to clash with it.

Either way different quantizations are not going to "fit" every situation, but it seems to me that the CT5 is not supposed to "fit" necessarily, at least not if you don't want it to. For me at least it is harder to get it to play nice, than for it to cause at least a degree mayhem. I don't want the different quantizations in order to make it fit, but to add other means of expression. I know the risks.

[multi_s]

unfortunately there is no user side set modification. if there is a set you really want you can email me the details, we can do small changes for small fees.

when i say there is nothing stopping you, i mean there is no reason it has to be sets as discussed above.

there is no practical limit to the size of the set (less than 1024 notes due to adc resolution)

there is no practical limit to the number of sets , however the method for selecting them remains the same (scrolling through a list via the Q switch, with only a blinking led to guide you)