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goroth wrote:I'm kinda feeling the same things.
I love my boss, love my colleagues, and enjoy my job. I think. But I've just got this growing unease, and yeah, the whole future carrot dangly thing. My skill-set is such that I could easily get a job doing the same thing somewhere else - I'm lucky there - but it is also a very specific skill-set. I saw an add for a data analyst at a music startup in stockholm, and fuck... I could almost do that sort of stuff. But I can't at all. So I'm considering going back to school, but have to figure out a way to do that while paying dem billz. Higher ed is free here, so there's that, but there isn't a whole lot of part-time education and flexible learning as the whole system is kind of designed around young folks studying full-time and leaving on a tight budget. So I dunno. I think if I genuinely hated my job or my boss it would be easier to work out what I think.
Gonna try and find a part-time course, you know just a single unit, somewhere on the webz that could get credited towards my unfinished degree in econometrics. See if it seems like a good idea to go harder.
I dunno.

TBH I think we're all going to become unemployed within our lifetimes due to AI, and that a universal wage will have to be implemented. That will solve a lot of shit. But it will also be painful along the way.
Maybe look into some MOOCs? They have low completion rates, but it's entirely up to you to finish. Tons of data stuff out there. Try Coursera. They're generally not credit-bearing, though, so look elsewhere if you need to finish a credential.

Your point about AI is really interesting, but I'm not so sure it'll happen that quick. The whole Kurzweil/singularity is near premise is really interesting, but I think it'll take a little longer. This is based on nothing but hunches, though. Maybe it's because you're a more highly-evolved scandy, and this sort of rapid progress seems possible where you are. Maybe you heard, but the U.S. recently regressed to a troglodytic state with our last election. And for better or worse, our massive economy is a stiff rudder on global development.

My little situation isn't any better--worse, if anything. It's all part of the irony of being a marxist man-child who still can't respond to authority. Somehow I criticized and worked my way to the top of a 'career college' that promotes atomized labor both in- and out of the classroom. It's almost as if my beliefs and ideals--things that kinda define my working life (and probably more of my personal life than they should) are woefully out of sync with what I do all day! WEIRD. It's 10:00, and I've already told two people they should quit and take higher-paying jobs at better places...they were hitting me up for higher wages, which they absolutely deserve. At some point this will catch up with me, but I'm constitutionally incapable of stringing people along.

Anyway, what bothers me is that I came really close to finding a way out of the bullshit. A traditional tenure-track professorship is a pretty rad job, but 1) they are rapidly disappearing and 2) the pay is surprisingly terrible in a lot of fields. That's what I'm trained for. So now I feel kinda trapped doing work that has little or no value for a failing institution that forces me to gut my brain and soul in order to 'hit my numbers' and therefore keep my children clothed and fed. Sad trombone.

Maybe I'll just hang on until Invisible Woman would like to go back to work, and then I can return to dicking around and teaching for $9 an hour.

Anyone solve the labor problem yet? I've written hundreds of pages on this subject and feel dumber than ever.
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BetterOffShred wrote:The good news is, I started my new career at 37 so I'll be able to retire when I turn 217.
Is retirement even real? Is anyone going to be able to retire anymore?

I think anyone under 45 is probably a little ducked with regard to work-free golden years. Unless Goroth's robopocalypse comes to pass.
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I've counteracted the groth conundrum by learning more skills under the auspices of "doing my job better" that just so happen to coincide with making myself more appealing if/when I have to seek out other employment. It helps that I don't have kids and Lady DoS is eminently employable. Doesn't solve my student loans but if we absolutely had to we could get by on one income.
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I'm kind of banking on the other side of 'skills' spectrum. There is always going to be someone who 'does not' want to do 'what I do'.
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Is 'skills-averse' a thing? I can't think of anything one would put on a resume that doesn't bother me. Maybe the issue is that I am generally sort of unemployable.

I am not a self-starting professional with excellent communication skills, nor am I a results-oriented manager with a track record of success.
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Yeah, I am never going to be able to retire. Ever.

I had someone tell me (a college prof, no less) that I should go back to school and get my PHD to teach because "universities need excellent teachers right now"?!?!?! No, they clearly don't or they would be paying them a wage high enough to cover their fucking student loans. How could anyone give that advice in our current situation?

Thank you for not giving shitty life advice to those coming to you for guidance, IM.
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At my current work, I get to deal with people who are super skilled and 'were' very tenured in their field...even their job prospects are not full proof.
It's kind of fucked with me how many times I've seen a VP or something start making $250K/Year -> Budgeting their life on the premise of continually making that much -> "Uh oh...here comes the inevitable re-org" -> Lay off -> Subsequent soliciting for a position paying the same amount because now you have a mortgage, two kids in university, some other shit etc.

I have this fantasy that one day I will eventually make it to a pay rate that is that high but when I do...I'm not fucking doing ANYTHING spending wise. However many years I am in that position I'm going to be like a Squirrel in Autumn...just hoarding upon hoarding upon hoarding of cash.

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Invisible Man wrote:Is 'skills-averse' a thing? I can't think of anything one would put on a resume that doesn't bother me. Maybe the issue is that I am generally sort of unemployable.

I am not a self-starting professional with excellent communication skills, nor am I a results-oriented manager with a track record of success.
It depends. I think learning stuff is fun, and I could say I know how to do resume sounding stuff indicative of the first skillset and the second. Didn't know how to do that before I started this gig. Know how to do it now.
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Not that I'm selling you short D.o.S. but isn't that like most jobs in your field? You sort of have an organic growth per company needs. "Hey we need this...oh D.o.S. is already on the payroll so let's give it to him so we don't need to hire anybody and pay their benefits"
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aens_wife wrote:Yeah, I am never going to be able to retire. Ever.

I had someone tell me (a college prof, no less) that I should go back to school and get my PHD to teach because "universities need excellent teachers right now"?!?!?! No, they clearly don't or they would be paying them a wage high enough to cover their fucking student loans. How could anyone give that advice in our current situation?

Thank you for not giving shitty life advice to those coming to you for guidance, IM.
That person was right--they do need good ones. But we produce way more PhDs than we need. Over 70% of college instructors ('professor' isn't the right term anymore, confusingly, unless they're tenure-track and full-time) are part-time adjuncts. I did that for three or four years before landing a decent gig. It is designed to take advantage of people who privilege purpose and impact above their own well-being. I would know; I hire a shit-ton of adjuncts using precisely this logic. Hence my sad face.
D.o.S. wrote:I've counteracted the groth conundrum by learning more skills under the auspices of "doing my job better" that just so happen to coincide with making myself more appealing if/when I have to seek out other employment. It helps that I don't have kids and Lady DoS is eminently employable. Doesn't solve my student loans but if we absolutely had to we could get by on one income.
A Lady Dos is a terrifying thing.

Invisible Woman is an Occupational Therapist, and gets jobs in hours when she wants them. Health care seems to be the 'answer,' though that's super troubled now, too. She's considering going back, I think, because she can see that I'm all 'dark and twisty.'
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D.o.S. wrote:It depends. I think learning stuff is fun, and I could say I know how to do resume sounding stuff indicative of the first skillset and the second. Didn't know how to do that before I started this gig. Know how to do it now.
Gotcha. I would differentiate between 'learning' and 'developing skills,' I guess, by which I mean that one is in service to the learner and the other is in service to employers. But that's not the point you're making, I know.
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Overnighter post, with a morose reminder:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vTMQ_gC2j0[/youtube]

This took years to fully digest and reflect on but it fucked me up in 2002. Still does, being no less true or culturally relevant 15 years later.
A line from "The Rock" really got in my head as well, amusingly enough. Sean Connery was talking about his glory days as SAS and the line is "...her majesty's finest...but in hindsight I'd have rather been a poet, or a farmer."

Other life-reevaluating scenes in cinema are moments from Office Space, Into The Wild & subUrbia.

When it comes time to tell my story I'll do so in another setting, but here is a teaser:
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As much as I enjoyed growing up a rabid consumer of entertainment media, everything seemed so phony around turn of the century in the peak boyband/bling-bling rap era. Thoroughly disgusted by the excess and opulence of pop culture by late 2003, I made a subconscious choice to cease chasing dollars and began actively trying to rebel through salvation, around the time I was getting into vinyl & vacuum tubes.
I was thrilled by turning trash to treasure, hunting for curbside a/v gear & media to broaden horizons and transport me to other worlds...because this world is fucked, humanity is too caught up in its own snowball effect. In the mid 00s the bounties from disposable society were plentiful. Since 2008 it's been a different world. I've wrestled, out of my weight class, with what it is I want to contribute to this world.

The reality is I'm a shitty businessman, someone who gives too much of a fuck about what I sell, who loathes sales, struggles to part with cool things yet strives for a streamlined & semi-minimalistic approach.

Took me nearly 5 years just to get out of HS with a golden ratio gpa, and by the time I was mentally ready for college the environment in academia had shifted into something I would hate being a part of, inside. Having a bit of HFA, hyperkinetic tendencies and nerve damage has made life...interesting...to say the least. Putting foot in mouth has been a staple of my diet.

I dont ponder my purpose. If I get into my personal struggles it will be in another setting, some other time, I don't like to burden others with my problems, plus other people who I care about are involved so it aint fair to them.

I try to focus on being a good neighbor, striving to increase the comfort and mood of those around me, on my own terms, while retaining vivid memories of what it was like to be a kid who got excited about the mundane aspects of life like it was all new and exciting (because it was, and it can be). User cognition is important, but attitude is of equal value if not greater.

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aens_wife wrote:Yeah, I am never going to be able to retire. Ever.

I had someone tell me (a college prof, no less) that I should go back to school and get my PHD to teach because "universities need excellent teachers right now"?!?!?! No, they clearly don't or they would be paying them a wage high enough to cover their fucking student loans. How could anyone give that advice in our current situation?

Thank you for not giving shitty life advice to those coming to you for guidance, IM.
That person was right--they do need good ones. But we produce way more PhDs than we need. Over 70% of college instructors ('professor' isn't the right term anymore, confusingly, unless they're tenure-track and full-time) are part-time adjuncts. I did that for three or four years before landing a decent gig. It is designed to take advantage of people who privilege purpose and impact above their own well-being. I would know; I hire a shit-ton of adjuncts using precisely this logic. Hence my sad face.
D.o.S. wrote:I've counteracted the groth conundrum by learning more skills under the auspices of "doing my job better" that just so happen to coincide with making myself more appealing if/when I have to seek out other employment. It helps that I don't have kids and Lady DoS is eminently employable. Doesn't solve my student loans but if we absolutely had to we could get by on one income.
A Lady Dos is a terrifying thing.

Invisible Woman is an Occupational Therapist, and gets jobs in hours when she wants them. Health care seems to be the 'answer,' though that's super troubled now, too. She's considering going back, I think, because she can see that I'm all 'dark and twisty.'
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$harkToootth wrote:Not that I'm selling you short D.o.S. but isn't that like most jobs in your field? You sort of have an organic growth per company needs. "Hey we need this...oh D.o.S. is already on the payroll so let's give it to him so we don't need to hire anybody and pay their benefits"
Oh it totally can be.

A lot of the online media workforce came up with magazine and print values, though, and generally don't display much of what you could comfortably call a DIY ethic.

Which isn't new (lots of magazine writers/essayists/reporters never learned the first thing about layout or any part of the printing process, &c) but being able to get shit done even if it means drowning in log data is particularly helpful in an industry that is still trying to figure out how to monetize the internet ideal of free content. twenty years too late. :lol:
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