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repoman wrote:Average age of death is 80, over 50% have at least 3 pre-existing comorbidities (Myocardial ischemia, Diabetes, Kidney disease, Arteriosclerosis, etc), and Italy has just been chalking up all deaths in hospitals of infected to Covid, meaning the person could have actually died of something else whilst having it.
"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
"On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three," he says." (Walter Ricciardi, who is the scientific adviser to Roberto Speranza, Italy's minister of health)
Italy has a shitty method for collecting data on Covid deaths.
Out of this study of 481, only 6 had no pre-existing conditions (I would bet they were 75 or older).
Chance of death for under 50 if infected is 0.4%. I'm really curious what that number would be if people with pre-existing condiions were removed, if it is anything like the study posted, would that be 1.2% of 0.4%?
Over 24,000 people died in Italy 2017 of the flu, over 70% dying in flu season (Jan-March). The vast majority of deaths last year occurred in Lombardy. So roughly 16,800 people died in a couple months in the 2017 flu season in Italy. Around 4000 people have died in the past couple months from this one (and that is with Italy's shitty methodology padding the numbers).
I didn't see headlines about Italy having to call in the army to dispose of bodies then...
coldbrightsunlight wrote:So my whole office has been shut down for "at least two days" now. Going back to work when I'm out of quarantine on Thursday... may not happen.
colin wrote:I'm on about day 10 of what I strongly suspect is the coronavirus. Definitely different from any cold I've had before, but still relatively mild. I've had a bit of a fever, persistent dry hacking cough, muscle aches and extremely low energy. Some chest pain and trouble catching my breath at times too. I can see why this would be really dangerous for the elderly or anyone with a pre-existing condition. My wife's had similar symptoms to me, but a bit less severe; and both of my girls have been clearly a bit sick, but fairly minor.
JM Charcot wrote:Hello Dowi, regarding the fact you are in the richest region, I read this article this morning (sorry in French) making an immediate link between the progression of the virus and Particulate Matters :
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:10 am
Dowi wrote:coldbrightsunlight wrote:So my whole office has been shut down for "at least two days" now. Going back to work when I'm out of quarantine on Thursday... may not happen.
My advice is to wait at least next monday, i don't know how much is spreading up there but i guess your office could be shut down for a few days more.
BTW you feel better now?
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BitchPudding wrote:Im just here waiting to see if Gavin Newsom actually enacts marshall law. I wanna say it wont happen, but this season of Earth has been crazy unpredictable so anything is possible.
Opposite end of the spectrum, I am sorta glad hes at least going "hey, dont go out you stupid fucks. Don't be racist. Don't horde. Seriously, the fuck."
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Just like a lib to want breathing to come free and easy. Some of us like to work hard and struggle for each and every breath we take.
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