Are we angry about this? - TC TonePrint Complaints



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Postby Mudfuzz » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:52 am

aens_wife wrote:I am probably going to regret saying anything BUT

IT ISN"T ABOUT THE FUCKING JOKE. I like dirty jokes. A lot. But I don't make them everywhere, with all people, right? I edit myself for my audience (as almost all of us do) because I don't need to make people around me uncomfortable.

So when a company makes a "joke" like this with a product, what they are saying is that they don't give a fuck who is uncomfortable with said joke. That generally shakes out to them not caring about women's thoughts on this stuff. Sure, some women don't care. But everyone knows that *some* women do care. A lot. By making these jokes, companies are telling women that they do not prioritize them as customers - that they want the men who will laugh at that joke more than they want the women who will not.

Again, I am not a prude and if someone made this joke in person to me, I would likely laugh. But I don't appreciate this kind of marketing which is KNOWN to alienate women and attract certain types of dudes. This isn't rocket science or some kind of conspiracy to end all sex jokes, guys. It's pretty basic and lines up directly with how lots of dudes treat me (and other women I know) in this industry.

Thank you for saying this. No one but a moron would not fully understand your points. :thumb:
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Postby infamousalien » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:58 am

Ugly Nora wrote:Dubs, isn't the inverse also true though? Who is anyone to to tell anyone else that they should be offended? My girlfriend is not offended by this, she thinks people who are offended by it are ridiculous. So, are you or any of the guys here, or women here, or around the world going to explain to her why she should be offended? Why does your opinion matter more than hers?

In summary, i am not advocating for people to be offended or not be offended. But rather that everyone stop jamming their own values down other peoples throats 24 hours a day.


People seem to like to gang up and feel morally superior to others. It kills discussions before they start. I just asked why people are so offended about everything these days and don't seem to take jokes as well as they used to. Never said they shouldn't be just wondered what the big deal was about a comedy band making a bad joke. Promptly got attacked, had my words twisted around, and told my opinion didn't matter. Then some one wrote an intelligent well thought out response. I got a better understanding of why people were offended by it. I saw it from a different viewpoint and my opinion changed. I'm sure there has been a time in everyone here's life where they saw something one way and then something some one said changed their perspective on it. That can't happen if the first instinct is to throw insults and label people (who are complex beings) insulting and often untrue things.

aens_wife wrote:I am probably going to regret saying anything BUT

IT ISN"T ABOUT THE FUCKING JOKE. I like dirty jokes. A lot. But I don't make them everywhere, with all people, right? I edit myself for my audience (as almost all of us do) because I don't need to make people around me uncomfortable.

So when a company makes a "joke" like this with a product, what they are saying is that they don't give a fuck who is uncomfortable with said joke. That generally shakes out to them not caring about women's thoughts on this stuff. Sure, some women don't care. But everyone knows that *some* women do care. A lot. By making these jokes, companies are telling women that they do not prioritize them as customers - that they want the men who will laugh at that joke more than they want the women who will not.

Again, I am not a prude and if someone made this joke in person to me, I would likely laugh. But I don't appreciate this kind of marketing which is KNOWN to alienate women and attract certain types of dudes. This isn't rocket science or some kind of conspiracy to end all sex jokes, guys. It's pretty basic and lines up directly with how lots of dudes treat me (and other women I know) in this industry.


These are all very good points that I hadn't initially thought of. Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. Like I said before at first I somehow overlooked and ignored the corporation aspect (which is the most important part) until _themissingshade_ pointed it out to me.
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Postby BetterOffShred » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:00 pm

Let's not pretend that there aren't companies that specifically target women as their customer base, in the process alienating men. I can think of numerous commercials based off some failed home repair that the male partner botched due to his incompetence etc.. while the female partner rolls her eyes and calls the professional - which as a handy dude I feel is not representative. I'm not saying it's the same caliber of bad joke, just that this corporate tactic is well known and used for numerous groups of people. If I owned a company I would try to be well aware of my target audience and what they wanted. I think that's the likely case here and ultimately it says more about the purchaser than the company. Corporate just wants that cash.
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Postby Mudfuzz » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:13 pm

Your example is just holdover 50's marketing that is still around because old ideas still work on people that don't think for themselves enough. please try harder.
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Postby jrfox92 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:15 pm

BetterOffShred wrote:Let's not pretend that there aren't companies that specifically target women as their customer base, in the process alienating men.

Name one pedal corporation, though.
Just one.

Also, it seems that it's clear enough to TC that the Steel Panther fan-base just aren't a significant enough target audience to piss off the target audiences that aren't into this. :poke:
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Postby BetterOffShred » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:19 pm

Mudfuzz wrote:Your example is just holdover 50's marketing that is still around because old ideas still work on people that don't think for themselves enough. please try harder.


And the holdover 80s hair metal isn't? It still works obviously. Why try harder if it works ?

I don't really care I just find it strange that everyone shits their pants about it sometimes but not others.
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Postby misterstomach » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:26 pm

Yeah, but it's not like plumbing, or whatever, has historically excluded or ignored men and minimized their contributions to the field. The context isn't quite as loaded.
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Postby BetterOffShred » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:39 pm

misterstomach wrote:Yeah, but it's not like plumbing, or whatever, has historically excluded or ignored men and minimized their contributions to the field. The context isn't quite as loaded.

Sure and like I said I'm not saying it's the same caliber of offense, just that the marketing tactic is the same and it's not based off fairness and inclusion etc. It's just a misguided attempt to make cash. This same thing came up with the pinup guitar magazine issues etc..

Does Snap-On tools still distribute swimsuit or less calendars?

Lots of that weird stuff around still
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Postby friendship » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:02 pm

There was a bit of backlash about that, too. Google hapless husband or doofy dad ads.
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Postby comesect2.0 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:34 pm

Was gonna ask how much does it cost to stroke your pride in front of your buds when they say "aw bra got d'pussy MELTER OOHH! (beavis/buttheadlaughter) but then reading up on reverb articles about it ..apparently big muff may be too much at some point as well. ...big muff turns into what...Ruff tone!
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Re: Are we angry about this? - TC TonePrint Complaints

Postby _themissingshade_ » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:41 pm

aens_wife wrote:I am probably going to regret saying anything BUT

IT ISN"T ABOUT THE FUCKING JOKE. I like dirty jokes. A lot. But I don't make them everywhere, with all people, right? I edit myself for my audience (as almost all of us do) because I don't need to make people around me uncomfortable.

So when a company makes a "joke" like this with a product, what they are saying is that they don't give a fuck who is uncomfortable with said joke. That generally shakes out to them not caring about women's thoughts on this stuff. Sure, some women don't care. But everyone knows that *some* women do care. A lot. By making these jokes, companies are telling women that they do not prioritize them as customers - that they want the men who will laugh at that joke more than they want the women who will not.

Again, I am not a prude and if someone made this joke in person to me, I would likely laugh. But I don't appreciate this kind of marketing which is KNOWN to alienate women and attract certain types of dudes. This isn't rocket science or some kind of conspiracy to end all sex jokes, guys. It's pretty basic and lines up directly with how lots of dudes treat me (and other women I know) in this industry.


I hope you don't regret it because these are important points.
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Postby bennroe » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Ugly Nora wrote:
dubkitty wrote:the thing i find striking about all this, ESPECIALLY in the TGP thread, is just how ready a whole lot of men are to mansplain to women what they can be offended by. seems kinda presumptuous to me.


Dubs, isn't the inverse also true though? Who is anyone to to tell anyone else that they should be offended? My girlfriend is not offended by this, she thinks people who are offended by it are ridiculous. So, are you or any of the guys here, or women here, or around the world going to explain to her why she should be offended? Why does your opinion matter more than hers?

In summary, i am not advocating for people to be offended or not be offended. But rather that everyone stop jamming their own values down other peoples throats 24 hours a day.


It really isn't about being offended at all, and--even if it were--I very much doubt anyone here would tell your girlfriend she should feel offended by it. That would be bizarre. It's also not about one person's opinions mattering more than another's, though it baffles me that you think spreading the word that you're offended by something is an example of jamming your values down people's throats, but that saying an offensive thing on a public platform isn't. I'm not easily offended, but I do believe that all people should be free to pursue their interests without being made to feel they're not welcome. As a dude, I've never been asked by a guitar store clerk if I'm shopping for a partner, or otherwise treated like I didn't belong there, but lots and lots of women have. If your girlfriend can't relate to that experience, that's awesome; maybe even a sign of progress. Maybe she's not involved in traditional rock instrumentation, or maybe she's just been really lucky about where she's shopped. Has she never experienced condescension from a mechanic? Has she been lucky enough to escape sexism in every aspect of her life? Either way, it doesn't diminish the fact that many women have been treated badly and made to feel they didn't belong, in this industry as well as in many others. The phrase "pussy melter" doesn't need to make you blush for you to recognize that it perpetuates a closed door that many would-be guitarists have encountered just for being women.
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Postby theavondon » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:56 pm

infamousalien wrote:Ah yes straight to the nazi thing. The official response of soy boys who have no argument.

lmao this dude seriously just used this term

Y'ALL.
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Postby repoman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:03 pm

i dont care
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Postby infamousalien » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:10 pm

theavondon wrote:
infamousalien wrote:Ah yes straight to the nazi thing. The official response of soy boys who have no argument.

lmao this dude seriously just used this term

Y'ALL.


Did you just assume my gender?! :lol: Actually I used it tongue-in-cheek because that term comes up a lot here and people jokingly refer to people here and themselves as that. Nice try though. I stand by that statement. Anyone who resorts to insults and name calling has no argument.
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