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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:33 pm

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Jaron Lanier was the person credited with coining the term cyberspace and he has become a techno-skeptic on many levels. His website looks like someyhing from the 90s and he wrote "You Are Not A Gadget" ... he is very dkeptical of Kurzweil's Transhumanism ....

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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:59 pm

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comesect2.0 wrote:No, man is garbage and going too fast, you can use this technology without being exposed to absurdities, the choice is yours with endless possibilities.


I agree with you to a certain extend, but I have noticed a huge influx of things being pushed at us on almost all platforms. I guess it depends on what you find absurd. For instance, I find it quite absurd that I cannot read a news story (on almost any site anymore) without having ads about random stuff smashed into my face. The forums have gotten bad too. ILF is great because it's stuck a few decades behind in software (LOL), so we don't have that issue as much. If you look at some of the bigger forums though, there's ads almost everywhere. At least the ones I use.

I know you're probably not specifically talking about ads though. It's just the most obnoxious thing that comes to mind for me when surfing the net. Especially since ISP will be able to shove them at you whenever they want, however they want now.






I feel like the internet can be a golden wealth of knowledge at times. As a property manager, it has saved my ass countless times to be able to google something on the fly and be able to figure it out.

For instance, I was running an auger recently to clean out a drain line. I've never done that before and had no idea what I was doing. It seems straight forward right? It does take a certain level of skill though. I googled it, and a site told me what heads to use with the auger, in which order and how fast/slow I ought to take things. I had no idea. I have no plumbing experience, but I learned something and it saved me a few hundred bucks. So right there, it help a ton.

I've done the same thing on many occasions.

I think for the most part you have to take what you want and leave the rest. Then the internet is magical.

It's not all just Porn Hub and Youtube. :)


Interesting points; consider the Crocodile; it predates dinosaurs and survives today; it has seen the rise and fall of multiple animal species which, theoretically, should have been an upgrade to crocs and should have out-competed the crocs, not so. Sometimes old technologies, by the virtue of their rhobust design, can overcome shocks which more complicated designs cannot handle. And they cost less. The AK47 is another example. Effectively designed in '47 but still the most popular war rifle today. And cheap. I wonder if many features/promises of the net aren't being overbuilt to the point of diminishing returns? Should more money/resources be diverted to areas other than shoving more info down people's throats?
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby comesect2.0 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:40 pm

Autism and cephalopods...interesting^
Sometimes old technologies, by the virtue of their rhobust design, can overcome shocks which more complicated designs cannot handle.

Aw man this gets me...this is the issue. Waste...cant even type this out
ever stand on a mountain of trash at a landfill looking out seeing nothing no ground all hills just trash.
Machines producing machines, simple is as simple does, if it ain't broke don't fix it, no flesh shall be spared, so complicated the only way out is to shapeshift ourselves where the mind is meaningless and the next revolution is of body to keep up with the complexity of mind...I wish I could communicate by showing like hieroglyphs or body movements rather than thothbabble...like chank said, we all be wearing screens showing memes for communication...in 2024 you'll see if you can see lol its not looking good folks, but these are the growing pains...we don't have much time left and one day a traveler will come across a satellite explaining what happened to something called humanity.
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby Chankgeez » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:53 pm

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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby comesect2.0 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:28 pm

Yall ever experienced I guess being so at one with your device that while listening to something, researching whatever, communicating threw it, you reach out to find it...but its right there in front of you being used ...as if you were searching for another phone/tablet/whatever (where's my sunglasses) type deal "their on your head"

Also the webs effects on the elderly who don't want to feel alone, is interesting and damaging...may pass a law in the future where for mental health at a certain age you must abandon all technology and would be illegal to do so,break the law &...blindfolded sent out on a donkey into the wilderness outside of neo Tokyo lol
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:08 pm

comesect2.0 wrote:Autism and cephalopods...interesting^
Sometimes old technologies, by the virtue of their rhobust design, can overcome shocks which more complicated designs cannot handle.

Aw man this gets me...this is the issue. Waste...cant even type this out
ever stand on a mountain of trash at a landfill looking out seeing nothing no ground all hills just trash.
Machines producing machines, simple is as simple does, if it ain't broke don't fix it, no flesh shall be spared, so complicated the only way out is to shapeshift ourselves where the mind is meaningless and the next revolution is of body to keep up with the complexity of mind...I wish I could communicate by showing like hieroglyphs or body movements rather than thothbabble...like chank said, we all be wearing screens showing memes for communication...in 2024 you'll see if you can see lol its not looking good folks, but these are the growing pains...we don't have much time left and one day a traveler will come across a satellite explaining what happened to something called humanity.


Ancient men assigned human characteristics to inanimate objects (rocks) as well as animals (Aztec jaguar-men/Egyptian dog-faced gods). This is called anthropomorphism. Now that we are so removed from nature we need to assign human characteristics to new things - computers. This needs a new term:

technological anthropomorphism

The whole singularity movement is another iteration of man assigning human characteristics to inanimate objects. In 20-30 years people will look back at the transhuman/singularity idea as ridiculous but will have adopted an equally ridiculous idea that will be inevitable in 10-20 years. Did I miss something or did this day ever come:

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But to be fully transparent, this day did (picture from 1930s):

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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby comesect2.0 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:51 pm

Great point...we were searching then...now we found it...electronics are a spiritual matter and even though it may seem we have separated our selves, we have not..that mind set sheds light for progress towards the infinite though...anthropomorphic behavior stems from the cyberspace of the mind, reflections..being at one with creation..!!!!.Genesis chapter one..now we have that infinite mind, next step is for it to separate from us.
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby comesect2.0 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:28 pm

We'll adopt mercerism.... I would think on lines of wetware pomorphic reflecting/projecting beyond cellular affine space subatomic reversive meta dimenionless waves...let's think of a term hmm ..it's andy kink! the walking talking interactive google borg!
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:48 pm

Mass information ... the Triumph of Trump and Fake News:

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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby Invisible Man » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:15 am

Not following the ‘info shoved down our throats’ line of thinking. There’s no conspiracy. This development has been more democratic than any other information revolution in history, with fewer barriers to entry, too. Our addiction to devices is pretty different, I think, than our addiction to information, which has been pretty persistent throughout the life of letters and speech.

Having access to the equivalent of the Library at Alexandria while on the toilet means that our inability to look at stuff besides ILF, porn, and cat memes is totally on us. There’s some crazy shit out there—MOOCs, instructional videos for everything...it’s literally a repository for the history of human knowledge whose only problem is that there’s zero regulatory apparatus. And very few individuals have one hard-wired in.

Anyway, no. I think we’ll keep generating stuff. But the control surfaces and ways that we can look at massive data sets are going to shift. The Internet of Things is gonna pick up a little more steam, too.
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Postby MechaGodzilla » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:39 am

Invisible Man wrote:This development has been more democratic than any other information revolution in history, with fewer barriers to entry, too.

It was until the internet became an oligopoly controlled by amazon/google/facebook, so that everything has to play their game or they won't survive.
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:21 pm

comesect2.0 wrote:Autism and cephalopods...interesting^
Sometimes old technologies, by the virtue of their rhobust design, can overcome shocks which more complicated designs cannot handle.

Aw man this gets me...this is the issue. Waste...cant even type this out
ever stand on a mountain of trash at a landfill looking out seeing nothing no ground all hills just trash.
Machines producing machines, simple is as simple does, if it ain't broke don't fix it, no flesh shall be spared, so complicated the only way out is to shapeshift ourselves where the mind is meaningless and the next revolution is of body to keep up with the complexity of mind...I wish I could communicate by showing like hieroglyphs or body movements rather than thothbabble...like chank said, we all be wearing screens showing memes for communication...in 2024 you'll see if you can see lol its not looking good folks, but these are the growing pains...we don't have much time left and one day a traveler will come across a satellite explaining what happened to something called humanity.


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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:27 pm

comesect2.0 wrote:Autism and cephalopods...interesting^
Sometimes old technologies, by the virtue of their rhobust design, can overcome shocks which more complicated designs cannot handle.

Aw man this gets me...this is the issue. Waste...cant even type this out
ever stand on a mountain of trash at a landfill looking out seeing nothing no ground all hills just trash.
Machines producing machines, simple is as simple does, if it ain't broke don't fix it, no flesh shall be spared, so complicated the only way out is to shapeshift ourselves where the mind is meaningless and the next revolution is of body to keep up with the complexity of mind...I wish I could communicate by showing like hieroglyphs or body movements rather than thothbabble...like chank said, we all be wearing screens showing memes for communication...in 2024 you'll see if you can see lol its not looking good folks, but these are the growing pains...we don't have much time left and one day a traveler will come across a satellite explaining what happened to something called humanity.


Btw, playing a great nintendo switch game, rogue trooper, which is a shoot ‘em up game where your comrads’ consciousness gets transferred to a chip when their physical body die and you retrieve the chip and communicate with it. Fun stuff ... and technological anthropomorphism to boot :yay:
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby JereFuzz » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:35 pm

Invisible Man wrote:Not following the ‘info shoved down our throats’ line of thinking. There’s no conspiracy. This development has been more democratic than any other information revolution in history, with fewer barriers to entry, too. Our addiction to devices is pretty different, I think, than our addiction to information, which has been pretty persistent throughout the life of letters and speech.

Having access to the equivalent of the Library at Alexandria while on the toilet means that our inability to look at stuff besides ILF, porn, and cat memes is totally on us. There’s some crazy shit out there—MOOCs, instructional videos for everything...it’s literally a repository for the history of human knowledge whose only problem is that there’s zero regulatory apparatus. And very few individuals have one hard-wired in.

Anyway, no. I think we’ll keep generating stuff. But the control surfaces and ways that we can look at massive data sets are going to shift. The Internet of Things is gonna pick up a little more steam, too.


I don’t disagree with you. Folks have volunteered to consume “garbage data” ... no conspiracy needed; it’s much like food; people today have more access to food than at any time in history (at least in the “developed” world) and this great glory has now contributed to the average life span to fall two years in a row; folks are eating themselves to death ... there’s that pesky diminishing returns; note that the internet/information is not bad but information, like food, has diminishing returns where more is not better ...
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Re: Diminishing returns of info ...

Postby comesect2.0 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:12 pm

funny, that transfer soul to engram sd card stuff has been poping up a lot lately watching 80's/90's tv shows...
Can consciousness exist outside of meat?

and all joking aside...Im grateful to have had the blessed experience witnessing "something"....what I do not know, but at least I wasnt alone.. so I cant blame the thing up stairs ya know.....now "soul" spirit babble is of a never ending discussion...
so,
one of my "encounters" I have dismissed as a normal supernatural event brought apon by the electro magnetic subspace forces that be?, coined a perfect storm for a visual representation on how things can move without moving and stabilize a current in the filament of an old unplugged lamp....or it could have been a dead hooker the landlord killed one night resonating back on Easter night.....all I know is there is something, something.......after years of searching for this something, Its only something that can be understood by you and you alone, makes you appreciate being meat...you think this worlds crazy? you should see the others :cool: .
can consciousness exist outside of meat....I would have to say yes, for input is input.. either genes/engineers force the run around till the output is free from preconditioning and the birth surface is taint with new experiences to transfer threw the next able life form, genetic memory is a microcosm of lost souls.
consciousness is....consciousness is....overlooked, simple.. blown out of proportion.. exalted... nothing special when spoken threw organic mouths.

consciousness is a psychedelic experience and what is that but your universe manifesting itself, revealing tid bits of information from the whole within the metascaping whole which resembles the interweb manifested by our psychedelic mind called conscious
...hard to think when sesame street is being played behind me lol
id like to think theres some super control center like in the movie "the earth died screaming", & that satellite control tower is generating some field of ultimate interchanging modes that makes organics wonder/question being.

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