Did we ever have net neutrality?

[jrfox92]

I don't want to argue my point because it's too early to do so. I'm saying what I think will happen, and I could be wrong. I'm not sure where the anti liberal comment is coming from though? I am not a liberal but I'm not anti liberal. I just have differing views on things than others. I mean, obviously.

I don't think you're anti-liberal, I just think you're viewing liberal policies as "the problem" and Republican fuck-it-all-ism as "the solution".
I'm just gonna quote everything and try to show what I mean.

NSFW: show

I think what's been missed by some that may seem to understand the reasoning behind this shit is that the government is continuing to restrict our liberties as a people. We are fast stead becoming an oppressive nation and that is not an overstatement or a snowflake comment. It's facts. We lost control over our Health Care, which was already in a dismal place of ridiculousness due to a plan that was so fucking stupid that it couldn't work for the long run. For that I blame Congress for wasting 8 years of the Obama administration and not working on a way to fucking fix it. We have become aware of the fact that our government is watching us on a continuous basis (and no, it's not paranoid delusions, they are literally doing it) via all devices we have.They started using tools like Facebook to brain wash people, and this is a serious thing. Look at the trend with news on Facebook. It's a toxic, awful place that is set up to fuck your brain. The food we eat is poison, so we are being decimated inside and out. The water is poison. The air is poison. Noise pollution everywhere. Nation being led by fucking business men and women who dictate, not lead. Chem trails (which are fucking real even if I don't want to admit it). Etc.

Our government is systematically dismantling us. They are calculating our demise to turn us into brainwashed idiots, which in a lot of cases has already happened. People are no longer forward thinking or progressive, they are broken down, mindless idiots. It's from everything constantly killing us mentally. It's quickly becoming They Live in the modern day setting.

I'm not even close to joking about the way I feel either. I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, I look at facts. The facts are pointing to us being fucked on a constant basis.

Net neutrality is literally cutting our balls off. They are doing this shit to hurt us.

The first things don't make any fucking sense in relation to the last 'graph.
Especially when you consider that Republicans fucking hate Net Neutrality because their contributors (read:those corporations you recognize want to control everything) hate it.

I think what's been missed by some that may seem to understand the reasoning behind this shit is that the government is continuing to restrict our liberties as a people.

Net neutrality is literally cutting our balls off. They are doing this shit to hurt us.

See, I don't think these two views, necessarily, relate the way you think they do.


Government is restricting out liberties for power, right?
Well, that power is partially attained by being in the pocket of corporations (such as ISP's).
So, when a certain government mandate prevents those corporations from doing whatever the fuck they want, the corporations don't like it. So they launch a campaign to convince you that the thing that prevents them from doing whatever they want is really government overreach to keep you from getting the iPhone10k™ rather than to keep them from, effectively, forcing you to buy the iPhone10k™ rather than stick to your Samsung∞™ because you think the iPhone10k™ is kinda shitty and too slow to watch porn on (this is just a metaphorical example, I don't actually think that ISP's are terribly concerned about which phone you use, they're concerned about you using their products & services and only their products & services).

It's restricting our liberties as a people, which in turn removes the power from our hands. We no longer are given an option of being "free" because our freedoms continue to be taken.

I'm not really following your analogy about the phones. I think I kind of get what you're saying there, but I don't fully follow.

The Government, as it exists right now, is being corrupted by men and women who have it in their best financial interest to make things easier for large corporations because 1. they own stocks in them and 2. they more than likely are receiving large sums of money in pay offs. It happens all the time and there is plenty of evidence.

Acting like Net Neutrality is The Government's way of trying to rule the internet or whatever (assuming that's what you're suggesting) is like viewing anti-trust laws as The Government's attempt to take over all business or that Glass-Steagall was The Government's attempt to control the country's wealth.

It's another step towards moving the collective whole's thinking patterns. Just think about it for a minute. Why in the hell would they even care about doing this unless it favored something they are doing? They have been brainwashing us for as long as they have existed. It's willfully ignorant to ignore that. The Government is extremely under handed and they lie constantly. Is it really far fetched to believe they want to control us?

And another thing; the government isn't why people are being brainwashed by social media.
People are being brainwashed by social media because they're too lazy to not be brainwashed by it.
While the government is definitely watching you and what you post, they're not what's convincing people that Nazi's are just misunderstood, that beating the shit out of people that aren't communists is okay, and that the Earth is flat.
People being too stupid to utilize critical thinking at any venture is why so many people are "being brainwashed".

I'm not entirely sure I agree here at all. I think they have their hands in almost everything now. Their tiny little fingers are constantly trying to bend mans will towards what they want.

I mean, we probably won't agree on this at all and that's totally fine.

The thing I'm trying to convey is that you appear to think that the third bolded sentence is related to the first one in a way that negates the second for Republicans but not for Democrats.
I think that you believe liberal politicians want Net Neutrality because Facebook/Google,etc. want it and liberal politicians are in their pockets. The thing is, you're probably right.
That's not as bad as the probability that sentence two relates to three in another way, too.
While liberals may be in the pockets of media sources (social or otherwise), conservatives are in the pockets of the utility companies (ISP's) that allow those media sources to do what they do.
Liberal politicians think those media sources should be allowed to do what they do without being influenced or censored by their utility company.
Conservative politicians want to let the utility company do whatever they want, even if that means, effectively, censoring those media sources.
(Bear in mind that I'm not being very eloquent or exact in what I'm trying to say because I'm trying to convey the issue in the clearest and simplest fashion I can imagine).

So, Net Neutrality is how you keep the utility company from shutting down the media source because the media source said "fuck the utility company".

If you think of internet like you think of electricity, this is what's happening (as best as I can figure):
The power company normally just gives power to your house and sets the price for power to the whole house.
Now, the power company instead has control over your entire breaker box.
They can say that, rather than $100/mo for power, it's $10 for the master bedroom, $5 for each extra bedroom, $25 for the kitchen, $50 for the living room, $15 for the basement, $30 for the family room, and $20 for the garage.
They can also decide that they're gonna decrease the power periodically to each room unless you pay an extra $50.
Also, if you pay $500/mo, they won't fuck around with the power.
If you have a home based business, you really need that power to work in your garage or basement, but you can only afford to have power in three of the rooms.
If you're a big company, you can afford to pay the $500 to have the power to the whole building rather than mess around with figuring out how to pay for each room.

So far, the power company has stuck to $100/mo and not really messed around. But they did do it to a couple of houses just to see if anyone would notice.
Your local city hall's power commission (that tracks, right?) decided a couple of years ago to make a rule that said they couldn't mess around.
Now, the new Mayor that barely won the election and most of town fucking hates decided to put in someone who used to work for the power company, and has been vocally against the rules ever since the commission first started talking about them, as the head of the power commission.
He decides to get rid of the rules even though the town doesn't want that, the rest of city hall doesn't want that, and all the local home businesses are saying they might have to leave town if it happens.
That's what's happened.

[frodog]

I'ma just leave this here.

That video is so homophobic

How so? Are you talking about the sucking of the verizon logo? Seems like an apt analogy to me.

[Jwar]

I don't want to argue my point because it's too early to do so. I'm saying what I think will happen, and I could be wrong. I'm not sure where the anti liberal comment is coming from though? I am not a liberal but I'm not anti liberal. I just have differing views on things than others. I mean, obviously.

I don't think you're anti-liberal, I just think you're viewing liberal policies as "the problem" and Republican fuck-it-all-ism as "the solution".
I'm just gonna quote everything and try to show what I mean.

NSFW: show

I think what's been missed by some that may seem to understand the reasoning behind this shit is that the government is continuing to restrict our liberties as a people. We are fast stead becoming an oppressive nation and that is not an overstatement or a snowflake comment. It's facts. We lost control over our Health Care, which was already in a dismal place of ridiculousness due to a plan that was so fucking stupid that it couldn't work for the long run. For that I blame Congress for wasting 8 years of the Obama administration and not working on a way to fucking fix it. We have become aware of the fact that our government is watching us on a continuous basis (and no, it's not paranoid delusions, they are literally doing it) via all devices we have.They started using tools like Facebook to brain wash people, and this is a serious thing. Look at the trend with news on Facebook. It's a toxic, awful place that is set up to fuck your brain. The food we eat is poison, so we are being decimated inside and out. The water is poison. The air is poison. Noise pollution everywhere. Nation being led by fucking business men and women who dictate, not lead. Chem trails (which are fucking real even if I don't want to admit it). Etc.

Our government is systematically dismantling us. They are calculating our demise to turn us into brainwashed idiots, which in a lot of cases has already happened. People are no longer forward thinking or progressive, they are broken down, mindless idiots. It's from everything constantly killing us mentally. It's quickly becoming They Live in the modern day setting.

I'm not even close to joking about the way I feel either. I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, I look at facts. The facts are pointing to us being fucked on a constant basis.

Net neutrality is literally cutting our balls off. They are doing this shit to hurt us.

The first things don't make any fucking sense in relation to the last 'graph.
Especially when you consider that Republicans fucking hate Net Neutrality because their contributors (read:those corporations you recognize want to control everything) hate it.

I think what's been missed by some that may seem to understand the reasoning behind this shit is that the government is continuing to restrict our liberties as a people.

Net neutrality is literally cutting our balls off. They are doing this shit to hurt us.

See, I don't think these two views, necessarily, relate the way you think they do.


Government is restricting out liberties for power, right?
Well, that power is partially attained by being in the pocket of corporations (such as ISP's).
So, when a certain government mandate prevents those corporations from doing whatever the fuck they want, the corporations don't like it. So they launch a campaign to convince you that the thing that prevents them from doing whatever they want is really government overreach to keep you from getting the iPhone10k™ rather than to keep them from, effectively, forcing you to buy the iPhone10k™ rather than stick to your Samsung∞™ because you think the iPhone10k™ is kinda shitty and too slow to watch porn on (this is just a metaphorical example, I don't actually think that ISP's are terribly concerned about which phone you use, they're concerned about you using their products & services and only their products & services).

It's restricting our liberties as a people, which in turn removes the power from our hands. We no longer are given an option of being "free" because our freedoms continue to be taken.

I'm not really following your analogy about the phones. I think I kind of get what you're saying there, but I don't fully follow.

The Government, as it exists right now, is being corrupted by men and women who have it in their best financial interest to make things easier for large corporations because 1. they own stocks in them and 2. they more than likely are receiving large sums of money in pay offs. It happens all the time and there is plenty of evidence.

Acting like Net Neutrality is The Government's way of trying to rule the internet or whatever (assuming that's what you're suggesting) is like viewing anti-trust laws as The Government's attempt to take over all business or that Glass-Steagall was The Government's attempt to control the country's wealth.

It's another step towards moving the collective whole's thinking patterns. Just think about it for a minute. Why in the hell would they even care about doing this unless it favored something they are doing? They have been brainwashing us for as long as they have existed. It's willfully ignorant to ignore that. The Government is extremely under handed and they lie constantly. Is it really far fetched to believe they want to control us?

And another thing; the government isn't why people are being brainwashed by social media.
People are being brainwashed by social media because they're too lazy to not be brainwashed by it.
While the government is definitely watching you and what you post, they're not what's convincing people that Nazi's are just misunderstood, that beating the shit out of people that aren't communists is okay, and that the Earth is flat.
People being too stupid to utilize critical thinking at any venture is why so many people are "being brainwashed".

I'm not entirely sure I agree here at all. I think they have their hands in almost everything now. Their tiny little fingers are constantly trying to bend mans will towards what they want.

I mean, we probably won't agree on this at all and that's totally fine.

The thing I'm trying to convey is that you appear to think that the third bolded sentence is related to the first one in a way that negates the second for Republicans but not for Democrats.
I think that you believe liberal politicians want Net Neutrality because Facebook/Google,etc. want it and liberal politicians are in their pockets. The thing is, you're probably right.
That's not as bad as the probability that sentence two relates to three in another way, too.
While liberals may be in the pockets of media sources (social or otherwise), conservatives are in the pockets of the utility companies (ISP's) that allow those media sources to do what they do.
Liberal politicians think those media sources should be allowed to do what they do without being influenced or censored by their utility company.
Conservative politicians want to let the utility company do whatever they want, even if that means, effectively, censoring those media sources.
(Bear in mind that I'm not being very eloquent or exact in what I'm trying to say because I'm trying to convey the issue in the clearest and simplest fashion I can imagine).

So, Net Neutrality is how you keep the utility company from shutting down the media source because the media source said "fuck the utility company".

If you think of internet like you think of electricity, this is what's happening (as best as I can figure):
The power company normally just gives power to your house and sets the price for power to the whole house.
Now, the power company instead has control over your entire breaker box.
They can say that, rather than $100/mo for power, it's $10 for the master bedroom, $5 for each extra bedroom, $25 for the kitchen, $50 for the living room, $15 for the basement, $30 for the family room, and $20 for the garage.
They can also decide that they're gonna decrease the power periodically to each room unless you pay an extra $50.
Also, if you pay $500/mo, they won't fuck around with the power.
If you have a home based business, you really need that power to work in your garage or basement, but you can only afford to have power in three of the rooms.
If you're a big company, you can afford to pay the $500 to have the power to the whole building rather than mess around with figuring out how to pay for each room.

So far, the power company has stuck to $100/mo and not really messed around. But they did do it to a couple of houses just to see if anyone would notice.
Your local city hall's power commission (that tracks, right?) decided a couple of years ago to make a rule that said they couldn't mess around.
Now, the new Mayor that barely won the election and most of town fucking hates decided to put in someone who used to work for the power company, and has been vocally against the rules ever since the commission first started talking about them, as the head of the power commission.
He decides to get rid of the rules even though the town doesn't want that, the rest of city hall doesn't want that, and all the local home businesses are saying they might have to leave town if it happens.
That's what's happened.

I'm going to be honest here. I think you're picking apart my statements to find something that isn't there. There is no underlying or subconscious meanings. Everything I said, I meant and it's in black and white. No shades of grey. My opinions are based on how I feel as well as what I've observed. I have never viewed this issues as a "right or left" issue. I viewed it as a Big Brother trying to fuck us issue. I mean, I can't even finish reading what you wrote because it doesn't not makes sense with how I meant things. You're basically twisting what I've said and I'm not sure to what end.

I'm also not sure why you're giving me an example of how all this works because I literally already understand it.


If anyone has questions, you need to read. There's information out there. Is it a 100% conclusive yet? No. However, the possibilities are scary and you're a naive fool if you don't believe that some of them cannot or will not happen.

[Blackened Soul]

big business or big government.

I don't see a clear and defined separation, and don't think there has been for some time.... If ever..

[Kacey Y]

big business or big government.

I don't see a clear and defined separation, and don't think there has been for some time.... If ever..

I agree with you, there's still a distinction in the minds of a lot of people though. Even if it's just an interpretation of what companies or types of policies are fit those definitions. Some people posting in this thread are talking about the exact same things, substantively, and taking away very different points of view on how the policy in discussion relates to it. You can't always convince someone of the opposite opinion that they're "wrong", because it's not that they're not understanding, they just interpret the information with a different set of priorities and philosophies.

I think it's the fact that people assume those with different political views just don't understand the issue that's the problem. Instead of trying to compromise policy to help everyone feel their interests are getting served, people just want to "win". Which is kind of nuts and destructive, in my opinion. I guess people just figure that eventually a large portion of the population will drastically change their point of view or just go away, which seems unrealistic. There are extreme examples that I think are exceptions, like white nationalists, domestic terrorist groups or people that think destroying the entire system would fix things. Not EVERY view needs a seat at the compromise table, because they're not interested in playing by rules or respecting anyone else.