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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Lurker13 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:51 pm

Sonaboy wrote:
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The Dems need to come to the realization that they will not be able to impeach Trump and instead focus on gaining more seats in Congress and voting Trump out in 2020.


I don't think they really want to. They just want to use this report to show everyone in the mushy, non-partisan middle what fools T and his crew of loyalists are, and how dangerous they are to the country. T's 30% base will never EVER abandon him. The elected GOP may start to abandon him if he keeps sabotaging the party optics going into election season. Keeping T on the defensive accomplishes that.

You're right about the 30%, but it will be interesting to see Bill Weld debate him. Weld will never win the nomination, but having a fellow Republican holding Trump's behaviors and non-conservative (in the traditional sense) policies up to the spotlight in a national debate could create erosion among some of the less fanatical Trump supporters.

I still don't think GOP politicians will abandon him. Trump's a rock star with the base, and Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell don't want a civil war that could fracture the party. Besides, Trump has given them 2 SCOTUS justices along with tax breaks and massive deregulation for their rich benefactors. They've subjugated their traditional values on certain issues like foreign policy and the national debt to Trump, and hold their noses on the scandals while desperately hoping they will just go away, all in the name of keeping the base together and winning on other (the aforementioned) fronts. They're also afraid of being primaried.

Perhaps the Republicans should just go ahead and change the name of their party to the Grand Opportunist Party.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Bassist_Diver » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:15 pm

Lurker13 wrote:
Sonaboy wrote:
Bassist_Diver wrote:
The Dems need to come to the realization that they will not be able to impeach Trump and instead focus on gaining more seats in Congress and voting Trump out in 2020.


I don't think they really want to. They just want to use this report to show everyone in the mushy, non-partisan middle what fools T and his crew of loyalists are, and how dangerous they are to the country. T's 30% base will never EVER abandon him. The elected GOP may start to abandon him if he keeps sabotaging the party optics going into election season. Keeping T on the defensive accomplishes that.

You're right about the 30%, but it will be interesting to see Bill Weld debate him. Weld will never win the nomination, but having a fellow Republican holding Trump's behaviors and non-conservative (in the traditional sense) policies up to the spotlight in a national debate could create erosion among some of the less fanatical Trump supporters.

I still don't think GOP politicians will abandon him. Trump's a rock star with the base, and Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell don't want a civil war that could fracture the party. Besides, Trump has given them 2 SCOTUS justices along with tax breaks and massive deregulation for their rich benefactors. They've subjugated their traditional values on certain issues like foreign policy and the national debt to Trump, and hold their noses on the scandals while desperately hoping they will just go away, all in the name of keeping the base together and winning on other (the aforementioned) fronts. They're also afraid of being primaried.

Perhaps the Republicans should just go ahead and change the name of their party to the Opportunist Party.


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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Jwar » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:00 pm

I'm going to make a prediction. Trump wins 2020 and we have a huge, huge riot in the country like never seen before.



I really think this is a plausible thing. Time will tell.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby repoman » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:02 pm

Sonaboy wrote:
Bassist_Diver wrote:
The Dems need to come to the realization that they will not be able to impeach Trump and instead focus on gaining more seats in Congress and voting Trump out in 2020.


I don't think they really want to. They just want to use this report to show everyone in the mushy, non-partisan middle what fools T and his crew of loyalists are, and how dangerous they are to the country. T's 30% base will never EVER abandon him. The elected GOP may start to abandon him if he keeps sabotaging the party optics going into election season. Keeping T on the defensive accomplishes that.


The GOP and Trump are not friends, Trump won because of his direct opposition to the GOP, he could care less what they do, conservative voters are largely disgusted with the GOP.

The people that were the most enthusiastic for Trump in 2016, are now starting to abandon him because he has basically achieved nothing in terms of any of his campaign promises. IE #Yanggang, Coulter tweeting her support of Bernie, etc.


FBI found no collusion, liberal media is still saying there was, case in point the two Russian lawyers that met with Trumps team before hand, which it's now known that these two Russian lawyers were on the payroll of Hilldawgs Fusion GPS.

This hysterical tin foil hat shit is so embarrassing, outlets like NYT are starting to distance themselves from it.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Chankgeez » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:23 pm

Bill Weld is a smart man.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Chankgeez » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:40 pm

Bill Weld was a much better governor than Romney. :idk: :snax:
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby TraceItalian » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:34 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/p ... oyees.html

I'm sure this won't be a shitshow at all
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Chankgeez » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:04 pm

Trump Administration is definitely the worst administration ever! :cry:
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Sonaboy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:31 am

repoman wrote: Hilldawgs Fusion GPS...

This hysterical tin foil hat shit is so embarrassing.


LULZ

Fusion is for sale to anyone who wants to pay. That's what consulting services are.

Mueller's report doesn't exonerate T and his band of fuck ups.
What's embarrassing is the GOPs reflexive Whataboutism and Clinton-did-it constant mantra as misdirection from their obvious win-at-all-costs power grab.
It's a fig leaf for all the financial shell games T and his crew played to funnel money into their pockets from taxpayers and donors. More people will be going to jail.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Chankgeez » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:55 am

We can rule Klobuchar out of contention:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... u-guys-are

Anybody who has to beg for applause doesn't have a chance. Field's too crowded for that. :idk: :snax:
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Chankgeez » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:20 am

I propose we allow anyone in the world to vote in our next presidential election. (Russian votes count twice?) :snax:
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby K2000 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:25 pm

repoman wrote:
The GOP and Trump are not friends, Trump won because of his direct opposition to the GOP, he could care less what they do, conservative voters are largely disgusted with the GOP.

The people that were the most enthusiastic for Trump in 2016, are now starting to abandon him because he has basically achieved nothing in terms of any of his campaign promises.


Nope. Trump has approx. 90% approval rating among Republican voters. 90% !!!

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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Bassist_Diver » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:00 pm

K2000 wrote:
repoman wrote:
The GOP and Trump are not friends, Trump won because of his direct opposition to the GOP, he could care less what they do, conservative voters are largely disgusted with the GOP.

The people that were the most enthusiastic for Trump in 2016, are now starting to abandon him because he has basically achieved nothing in terms of any of his campaign promises.


Nope. Trump has approx. 90% approval rating among Republican voters. 90% !!!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/8hEVXV1.png[img]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/248135/subgroup-differences-trump-approval-mostly-party-based.aspx


The GOP is all about traditions and loyalty. Were it not for that bit of indoctrination I doubt this flavor of republican would have been elected. We gotta face facts here - Trump's gonna get re-elected unless there's something incredibly damning in his tax returns. WIth as defensive as he is, it's likely one of 2.5 things:

1. He got a shitfuckton of money from foreign/Russian banks,
2a. He's in a lot of debt AND/OR
2b. He's not as wealthy as he makes himself appear to be.

Option 1 is bad for him politically. Options 2a and 2b are bad for his fragile ego. Only option 1 has any real implications on his political livelihood.

Sonaboy wrote:
repoman wrote: Hilldawgs Fusion GPS...

This hysterical tin foil hat shit is so embarrassing.


LULZ

Fusion is for sale to anyone who wants to pay. That's what consulting services are.

Mueller's report doesn't exonerate T and his band of fuck ups.
What's embarrassing is the GOPs reflexive Whataboutism and Clinton-did-it constant mantra as misdirection from their obvious win-at-all-costs power grab.
It's a fig leaf for all the financial shell games T and his crew played to funnel money into their pockets from taxpayers and donors. More people will be going to jail.


The real question in my mind is "how long until the GOP and/or US politics as a whole recovers from this skidmark on our nation's history?" The US system of government is sometimes called the greatest experiment in political science, and just like all grand experiments a few tests blow up in our face; Trump is one such example.
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Re: apolitical/bitter partisanship/chronic dysfunction threa

Postby Blackened Soul » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:54 am

Jwar wrote:I'm going to make a prediction. Trump wins 2020 and we have a huge, huge riot in the country like never seen before.



I really think this is a plausible thing. Time will tell.

Sadly that all it would end up, a fucking excuse to loot each other, not do something productive.... Like behead all the billionaires.. :cool:
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