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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby hbombgraphics » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:15 pm

Chankgeez wrote:Yeah, even though a Republican hasn't been elected in that district in over forty years, you'd think it'd still be a good look for the GOP to convince someone else to run. :idk:



apparently the GOP doesn't care about optics.


On a related note the Polish President has been a real Casserole this week

Nothing makes you look like a Nazi quite like passing a law that prevents people from calling you a Nazi.


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it's a convoluted mess but I think they just made everything worse
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby dubkitty » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:38 pm

i dunno what the fuck's up with all the Nazi love these days...you'd think that people would twig to the fact that it didn't work out so well last time :idk:
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Chankgeez » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:58 pm

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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Bassist_Diver » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:21 pm

Chankgeez wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/us/nazi-congress-illinois.html


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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Corey Y » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:08 am



He's previously claimed there was no substantive link between CO2 production and climate change or that science didn't have the means to accurate measure and analyze all the data to make any accurate conclusions. Now he says it's real and we're causing it, but who's to say that's bad? Who are WE to say what the climate should be?

This is such an insane point of view. Analogous to seeing someone with a knife in their hand, thrusting it forward as they walk towards a crowd and claiming "Yes, they have a knife. Sure, they're thrusting it around. Will someone get stabbed? It's hard to say, we can't accurately predict the outcome given all these variables, but who's to say that's BAD? Is it our place to decide who does and doesn't get stabbed? Are we so arrogant??".
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Invisible Man » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:32 am

I'm really bummed out by the implicit criticism that smart people extrapolating data makes them arrogant. 'Intellectual' is such a dirty word for nearly everyone regardless of creed and credo.

How about let the (admittedly broken) meritocracy run a little bit? There are already tons of limiting factors--maybe just let people do their fuckin jobs? Like: let scientists do science. Let televised windbags be windbags. Our ability to separate useful information from useless information isn't just a matter of it being snowed under by tons of worthless data; it's also that we have so devalued expertise with claims of eggheadedness that we 'don't trust' anything.
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Corey Y » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:44 am

The cultural turn against expertise is really multi-faceted. You'd think it would be all extreme political/cultural fringe movements, but it's also directly tied to DIY communities too. The difference is that in those communities there's an open acknowledgement that there are people with master level knowledge and skill, but that they should openly share it for free and not be gatekeepers. Where as in the fringes on things like science, it's mostly just a general distrust of any outside authority, with the implication or outright expression that they're lying and trying to swindle, control and mislead people at worst or that the experts are just their own opinionated fringe that insist on saying their beliefs are facts.

I have such conflicting feelings on the subject in some regards, because I have and have made money off self taught skill, as well as skill/trade that was directly taught to me by an expert and I also value delegating specifically skilled work to experts. I know how to build and have general construction knowledge, but outside small projects, I hire contractors and builders to work on my home. I record and mix music myself, but I have it professionally mastered. I have done professional graphic design work, both freelance and as part of jobs I've had, and I've done my own album artwork and I've hired people to do it. I have a basic respect and reverence for science and medicine, but I'm also skeptical of statistical based studies or behavior psychology papers that are assembled from data mining. However, I don't think any of this is what goes on in government with the anti-science stances. I firmly believe it's straight up "I support an economic agenda and the implications of this would hamper/harm that, so I reject it, because it seems like it won't immediately kill me to do that, but it will immediately benefit my agenda". There might be a heavy dose of self delusion involved, I think at best it's an attempt at willfully ignoring something you don't want to know about.
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Invisible Man » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:49 pm

I agree with all of that (and think it is right), but would differentiate the point on DIY to say that it seems to move in two directions. One is antagonistic (I REJECT THE TENETS OF X) and the other is maker-oriented (woudn't it be cool if I could do X?). It's probably a smaller subset than it seems to be, though, since DIY only means that no one pays you to do it. I'm a DIY employee in the sense of making shit up and hoping it works...but that's obviously a contradiction in terms. I just mean that there's no systemic guarantee of quality or accuracy that I can count on because I belong to a network of other assholes.

What the fuck am I talking about here.
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Corey Y » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:57 pm

I get what you are saying. That's what I was trying to express, but I probably wasn't communicating as effective as I'd like to be. Mostly because I don't want to write 20 paragraphs (I do, but I want what I write to be read).

When I say DIY, I mean loosely the culture that's formed around that. Maker culture, DIY crafts and home improvement/remodeling/decorating, upcycling and all that stuff. Even DIY music communities, artists, writers. People that not only reject the traditional systems of distribution, payment, patronage, etc., but actively try to subvert or disrupt them (even if it doesn't necessarily benefit them). There's a lot of really specific sub cultures within that umbrella and some of those view experts as aspirational figures, others view them as "The Man", either irrelevant distractions to be ignored or targets to be taken down.

Like I said, I have a lot of mixed feelings about the subject. There's a lot of subjects/debates/issues that I have feelings and opinions about, but feel obliged to side with a certain faction or stay out of completely on principle. I might not agree with everything about how the mainstream academic and journalistic approach to science is operating right now, but I believe science is valid and valuable, so I'm against anti-science attitudes.
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby dubkitty » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:06 pm

CNN interviews literal Illinois Nazi; you'll want to listen on headphones if you're in the office. totally NSFW.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-camero ... interview/
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby dubkitty » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:12 pm

did y'all know that the Nazis in "The Blues Brothers" were based on actual neo-Nazis who worked the Southwest Side of Chicago? the head Nazi in the movie even resembles the actual leader of the National Socialist Party of America, one Frank Collin (who was later convicted of child molestation!) and the scene from the movie posted above was filmed in the actual location in Marquette Park where their rallies occurred. the Chicago-centric content in that film is frighteningly/hilariously accurate. source: i grew up in Chicago and lived there till the end of 1979.
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Chankgeez » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:17 pm

Yep, great movie. RIP, Carrie Fisher. :cry:
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby D.o.S. » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:01 pm

dubkitty wrote:CNN interviews literal Illinois Nazi; you'll want to listen on headphones if you're in the office. totally NSFW.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-camero ... interview/


Why even give him a platform? To embarrass him? I don't think that's possible.

But... "pay-tri-ott's" :lol:
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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby Faldoe » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:23 pm

My worry - and it's already happening - is that to be in favor of free speech is somehow code or an alliance with the right, Alt-Right and neo-nazism.

That guy is a typical white nationalist douche. I believe in free speech and think he should be allowed to speak but tend to have a more optimistic view about people - which isn't always the case - that if you let people air bad ideas and expose their illogical that reason and the ethical perspective will win out, but unfortunately you have more people embracing white nationalist ideas because they are coupled together with other issues.

it's also happening now with Jordan Peterson where he is being labeled as Alt-Right.

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Chankgeez wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/us/nazi-congress-illinois.html




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Re: “he lost the nomination to a former professional clown”

Postby D.o.S. » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:46 pm

1. No one is disallowing him the right from spouting whatever he wants. I'm struggling to see the merit in providing a platform for someone say the Holocaust was a hoax used for blackmail by communist Jews, though.

2. The problem usually is that people make the equivocation that free speech is the right to say whatever you want without repercussion, which has never been the case.

3. This dude is a pretty garden variety Murray Futterman.
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